RobinXe wrote:
fixitsan wrote:
Yes precisely. And I asssumed you had understood that what was being inferred was that the driver could not accelerate to higher speed in the first instance, and met the oncoming vehicle due to the acceleration limiter stopping them from reaching that higher speed in the time available.
Thats the physics sorted, back to the driver. We are talking about a risk-taker. Somebody who overtakes when they haven't got at their disposal the means to accelerate. WHen you accelerate you tend to get a feel for a car. It is certainly pointless to base your judgement on the power of a vehicel, or it's torque, as written in the sales brochure. What does a 100HP feel like exactly , and doesn't it always feel different in every car that has a 100HP engine. And the same applies to torque, given that it is the torque which does the true accelerating. But factor in the gearbox rations, the friction, how well the car is running and the fuel then it becomes more in keeping with reality if we say that you accelrate not because you know you have 100Nm of torque from the engine at 3500rpm, but because it 'feels' like you will be able to succeeed safely.
Regardless of which car you drive, you feel how well it accelrates and adjust your driving to suit the ability of the vehicle. To limit the acceleration of a car is no different than driving another car with less torque, and when driving that car the driver would need to adjust his style to suit it anyway.
I don't see any difference. I am tending to give the new driver the benefit of the doubt I think it would appear, and I asume they might be better judges than you would give them credit for.
Okay, you've tried to be all clever here, but lets look at how an overtaking manoeuvre works, and skim over such minor technicalities as the spelling of assumed, vehicle, accelerates or succeed.
To overtake a vehicle at a given speed, you must accelerate to a speed greater than it and, pulling to the other side of the road, maintain that speed or greater at least until you are able to pull back to the correct side of the road for onward driving. The magnitude of this acceleration is not paramount, as long as a greater speed is achieved, the overtake can be accomplished.
Now lets suppose that a hazard presents itself during the manoeuvre, and the quickest escape route, given the positioning at the time, would be to accelerate such that the manoeuvre can be completed in a shorter space of time. An inexperienced driver may not judge the power available accurately, and their vehicle may or may not have the power available to get them out of trouble. Supposing it does, however, wouldn't it be tragic if they were killed due to some box of electronic trickery limiting it's availability?
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Well now, excuse my wireless keyboard first of all, it has crumbs between the keys and a slowly depleting battery.
Perhaps it is amusing to you to point out spelling mistakes, but you are a dying breed, and those ideas are best left on the back of a lovenote tucked away in your handbag.
Anyway, to my point. The highway code says we should accelerate quickly. Some driving manuals suggest we should overtake and accelerate rapidly but safely.
Within those guidelines it is possible to maintain a good enough level of acceleration with a limiter fitted.
Where there is not enough acceleration to perform the anticipated manouevre then you should not begin.
You have not suggested what sort of hazard would present itself, in your imaginary scenario. I will rule out cars exiting side roads because wether or not you have a limited vehicle or an Imprezza at full power, you don't overtake where there are side roads. Did you mean a pedestrian wandering on the road ? If you should have anticipated that situation from the signage and the road layout then you should not be overtaking then either. If you mean another vehicle coming around a bend in the opposite direction then you are talking about an overtaking manouevre which began far too late or the driver was too hopeful or ambitious.
Would you be willing to share the actual situation which you did have in mind ? /[/colour]