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That's a clear claim. Please could you substantiate that?


Another claim. Again, please can you substantiate that?


You see, I've examined the accident investigation report; the great majority of crashes are deemed to be unrelated to exceeding the speed limit or going faster than conditions dictate.

Check out the dictionary definition of the word "Accident".

The problem youre having is distinguishing the factors that go into making an accident, and imposing excessive importance on purely the speed aspect of the occurrence.

Let me explain.
The fact that he shot out from behind the tram has zero, not a thing to do with the speed aspect. Why? Driver attitude. He as a driver should have expected the possibility of you being there and anticipated for it.
The fact that he disregarded common sense to drive in such a manner is THE reason for him hitting you, the speed aspect is the secondary implication of that decision.

Now do you understand? Or are you going to continue maintaining its was his speed that caused it?




So you DO understand! So why are you trying to be obscure?
In the event of you doing what you just stated, youd have to expect an increased possibility of coming into contact with a similar idiot, but you probably wouldnt as most people tend to mitigate the risk by the use of observation and anticipation in such an instance.
You understand the idiocy of utilising speed in a situation whereby it could create an accident- you also seem to subscribe to Pauls correct assertions on stopping in the distance you can see to be clear. I dont see your argument any longer, and in any case, ive just answered it for you.



Wrong! For the reasons already stated.
You need to get over this speed issue you have and see it from an enlightened point of view, like i do.

If people go "tearing around" ( within the limits as you alluded to earlier) surely youd agree that the drivers attitude was the problem behind such driving? After all, speed kills or so they keep saying, but how can it if im driving within the limits?

Its a very very much more complicated world than you seem to think it is.

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Then let me help you out. When hazards are removed speeds go up and crashes go down.

It makes sense, therefore, to remove the 'worst' hazards as part of an ongoing policy of road safety improvement. This has been a significant contribution to our road safety improvements since the 2nd world war.

This obviously does not imply that we should immediately straighten all the bends in the country. The idea is absurd.

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The phrase is "Speed Kills" not "Speeding Kills".

Doesn't have to be an idiot running the other way, just a person walking normally, or even standing around the corner (their fault in your world perhaps?).

If I choose to sprint around a corner am I not an idiot?

If I bowled you over would you get up, dust yourself off and think "well, it was just an accident"?

Is it? So how come so many extrapolate it to 'exceeding the speed limit kills'?

And if 'speed' within the speed limit kills, what on earth are we going to do about that?

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Up on a road where i live off a major A road (A59) there is a particularly hazardous junction, which the new solution is tighten the left turn in to, in order to slow down vehicles. All this is going to do is create a hazard and more unnecessary hard braking.

Slow down?

You're kidding right?

I reckon a good 70 percent of country NSL roads are places where if you hit 60 you're being extremely reckless.

You're kidding right? Who is going to slow down? Where? Under what influence? Why?

Or are you saying that drivers must adjust their speed to suit the hazard environment?

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Anybody who wants to avoid crashes, or reduce their severity.




Yes.

Smeggy however seems be indicating that one can drive around at a minimum of 60mph in any NSL and be totally safe.

So you cannot substantiate your clear claim; was it not merely a wild guess on your part?


Only a troll would resort to such contemptuous behaviour.
(how many times have you been caught sniping recently?)

I never made any such claim anywhere, I merely asked you to substantiate your claim; I did not indicate that I agreed or disagreed with it in any way.

Do you even bother to read anything anyone else writes or are you simply born of verbal diahorrea?
You answered NONE of the points. Not one! Why? Because youre on shaky ground, time to kick your ladder out from under you.

Its ok though Mr Blindman, ill still answer your pathetic point.

Yes if you sprint around a corner youre an idiot.
However; Its not the sprinting round the corner thats the cause of the bowling over, its your decision to propel yourself into a position in which you cannot stop in the space you see to be clear.
In other words, YOUR ATTITUDE!!!! Thats what sets you up for it, the speed you carry is a scondary factor.

There, do you "get it" now? Jeez, theres some simple folks out there.

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Believe nothing- Question everything.

To what speed? What numerical speed will make us all "safe" in all conditions?
Answer me that.

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Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

Cor, to a speed that is suitable for the conditions and the potential hazards around you.

Its not hard.

I understood the words "That's a clear claim. Please could you substantiate that?" to mean, "I don't beleive you are correct".

Patently there are many places where travelling at the NSL is a very risky thing to do.

Which very often is nothing like the legal limit.

Well, yes in some cases, we've all born the brunt of the "Get out of my way" attitude which also seems to be accompanied exclusively by inappropriate speed.

However sometimes its just carelessness, thoughtlessness and inattentivness, not attitude.

Yes, but then the Highway Code states: -

The speed limit is the absolute maximum and does not mean it is safe to drive at that speed irrespective of conditions. Driving at speeds too fast for the road and traffic conditions is dangerous.

Welcome aboard.

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