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It's a typical knee-jerk reaction from this shambles of a "Government".

"Look at us! We're being really TOUGH! We'll save lots of lives by further restricting your individual liberty!" (And before some sanctimonious weed whinges about "your individual liberty to kill innocent people", I'm talking about our individual liberty to take responsibility for our own actions - something which has been badly eroded over the last ten years or so).

The present limit is fine. Most people know where they stand with it; the vast majority of drink-drivers are well over the limit - any reduction in that limit will not bother those cretins one bit. All it would do is penalise the rest of us (now, why does that sound familiar?). It would certainly be the last nail in the coffin of many a rural pub.

I suspect (yes, I know, I'm getting paranoid in my old age) that HMG will put out these stories of a 0% limit (bonkers - what about Covonia cough mixture which - as it says on the bottle - "contains alcohol"?) so that we will then be grovellingly grateful when they "only" reduce the limit to 50 doodahs instead of 80 "to keep in line with Europe".

But will we also "keep in line with Europe" over the penalties (usually a fine but no ban if only slightly over)? Will we hell.

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Abso-bloody-lutely. Just the point that I was trying to get across. Anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car wankered deserves to have their knackers nailed to the steering wheel - they are beyond defence. On the other hand, having a pint on the way home from work is wrong how? One of my maxims in life is 'Know Your Limitations' - if you are out for a 'sesh' your car keys are at home with your car; it's the responsible thing to do.
If you take responsibility for the person away from the person, they will just become more and more irresponsible... but then this government loves that sort of stance as we become, more and more, fines waiting to be collected.

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Taking it a step further, if there's a lot less drivers on the road if there is a no-alcohol ban, that could mean a lot less drivers triggering the cashcams. Have the govt realised there could be a shortfall in their sums?

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Several years ago they did one of these "all alcohol is bad for your driving" items on a programme.

They got the presenter to do a test drive, and measured his results. They they gave him some spirits waited for the alcohol to be measurable and then had him drive again.

He did much better during the second test. :o

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Several years ago they did one of these "all alcohol is bad for your driving" items on a programme.

They got the presenter to do a test drive, and measured his results. They they gave him some spirits waited for the alcohol to be measurable and then had him drive again.

He did much better during the second test. :o


Wasn't Alistair Stewart, was it? :lol:

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Thatsnews wrote:
Several years ago they did one of these "all alcohol is bad for your driving" items on a programme.

They got the presenter to do a test drive, and measured his results. They they gave him some spirits waited for the alcohol to be measurable and then had him drive again.

He did much better during the second test. :o


About 25 years ago (Got I can remember that far Ho Humm :( ) A motoring magazine (Popular motoring I think) did a piece on the effects of alcohol on driving in association with the TRL and the news programme "Nationwide"

The test subjects were (IIRC) drawn from the editorial team of the magazine and ranged from a young 19 yr old woman to a (clearly dedicated hack) in his mid 40's

The test involved the a number of "Cone tests" Slalom, reversing into a "Garage", leaving it as late as possible before braking in front of a "Wall" judging which pair of cones was just wider than the car and which wasnt and so on.

All the while the subjects were dosed with vodca and orange of varying strenths

Two things were clear from this experiment.

1) The range of general driving ability (from best to worst) completly overwhelmed any statistically measurable effects from the levels of intoxication as mesured by BAC

2) Variations in individual alcohol tolerance completly overwhelmed any statistically measurable effects from the levels of intoxication as mesured by BAC

Item. The young womans driving was poor to start with and deteriorated dramatically with only slight alcohol consumption.

Item. The "Hack" perfomed very well when sober and even at the "Test limit" of 210 Mg/100ml the "Hack" performed better than the 19 yr old sober! (In fact IIRC, the "Hacks" performance actually improved with increased alcohol consumption)

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Dusty wrote:
Thatsnews wrote:
Several years ago they did one of these "all alcohol is bad for your driving" items on a programme.

They got the presenter to do a test drive, and measured his results. They they gave him some spirits waited for the alcohol to be measurable and then had him drive again.

He did much better during the second test. :o


About 25 years ago (Got I can remember that far Ho Humm :( ) A motoring magazine (Popular motoring I think) did a piece on the effects of alcohol on driving in association with the TRL and the news programme "Nationwide"

The test subjects were (IIRC) drawn from the editorial team of the magazine and ranged from a young 19 yr old woman to a (clearly dedicated hack) in his mid 40's

The test involved the a number of "Cone tests" Slalom, reversing into a "Garage", leaving it as late as possible before braking in front of a "Wall" judging which pair of cones was just wider than the car and which wasnt and so on.

All the while the subjects were dosed with vodca and orange of varying strenths

Two things were clear from this experiment.

1) The range of general driving ability (from best to worst) completly overwhelmed any statistically measurable effects from the levels of intoxication as mesured by BAC

2) Variations in individual alcohol tolerance completly overwhelmed any statistically measurable effects from the levels of intoxication as mesured by BAC

Item. The young womans driving was poor to start with and deteriorated dramatically with only slight alcohol consumption.

Item. The "Hack" perfomed very well when sober and even at the "Test limit" of 210 Mg/100ml the "Hack" performed better than the 19 yr old sober! (In fact IIRC, the "Hacks" performance actually improved with increased alcohol consumption)


Dusty, I think that might have been the programme I remembered! 25 years ago? My god! I am getting old! :D

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My father used to tell of somebody he knew in the army during WWII. He said that his driving while sober was erratic and fast to the point that he didn't like riding with him, but it became much more steady after a couple of beers.


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