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I agree with you Big Tone, but from my viewpoint, antera309's comment is unacceptable and should be withdrawn. (Not that I have any opinions but bad ones about Brunstrom)

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I was pretty shocked by it myself.

But I can't see any breach of any rule which would justify moderator action. That may mean that we lack a rule. (Something about 'common decency' perhaps?)

Why (exactly) do you think it should be withdrawn Prof? And who by?

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Paul Smith
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I think the poster should retract it and acknowledge it goes beyond acceptable standards. Although several posts on here pointing that out will have counted any idea that the forum finds such things acceptable.

("Common decency" - is difficult - perhaps we should have a policy of pointing out very clearly when we thing it has been breached? I would remind you of the problems another forum had when things wishing someone was dead were posted)

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

Because we must not confront stupidity, ignorance, incompetence and foolishness with a complete lack of common decency and humanity.
If ever you have lost anyone to cancer, as I have with both of my parents, both my in-law parents and some friends, it's not something I would wish on anyone except, perhaps, someone like Mr, Mugabe, who is not merely stupid, but basically evil. Brunstrom is not an evil person. He's just 'unwise' and somewhat mis-guided which equates to foolish and incompetent in my humble opinion.
Please remove the unacceptable post, Paul. I'm sure I'm not alone in finding it offensive in the extreme.

The thread has been edited to remove the potentially offensive remark.

Sorry folks, I could find no other way.

antera309, who made the origninal remark, did not break any forum rule and should not be assumed to be censured in any way.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Now it's like the missing words round from "have I got news for you".

where's paul merton when you need him.

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I totally agree with all the ones whos said it is bang out of order making that statement about R. Brunstrom.

He obviously rattles a lot of people with his ideaology but he DID NOT DERSERVE THAT COMMENT!

As someone who has lost a lot of family to this particular disease / illness I certainly wouldn,t wish it on my worst enemy and certainly not on someone whose views I don,t agree with.

Paul did the right thing by removing this offensive comment, unfortunately some like myself did see it first.

I think this website has more important things to be dealing with than removing unwarranted remarks like this.

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Stormin,

Do you find Cooperman's post quoted (and slightly edited) above offensive for the reasons which you outline?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

You make a good point Malcolmw, although I do think the two people in question are different animals.


Well it didn't constitute hate mail, since it wasn't sent directly to RB, and it's not a threat either. So since it didn't breach any rules, it probably comes down to freedom of speech verses good taste. People could, quite rightly, argue that it comes under the umbrella of freedom of speech. After all, we see and hear far worse on TV before we manage to get to the remote. So how different or worse is this?

Paul may get both sides of this argument over time but as one poster/member has written at the bottom of his posts: "all opinions are mine only and do not constitute the policy of this site", or words to that effect. So I hope no-one will lambaste SS or Paul for any action taken. I think Paul was potentially in a dammed if you do/don't situation although I suspect, like myself, most believe it was for the best that it was removed.

My own dear mum died of cancer in 1984; I was by her side as she drifted from consciousness and then over a period of two hours or so she died while I was still holding her hand. Unwittingly, he brought memories like these back to me and countless others which I have seen but I guess you become hardened to it in my job.

So while I understand the passion that RB's name evokes I can see how the remark was nonetheless insensitive to others. It's very tempting to wish bad on RB since he has shown such insensitivity towards others, thinking especially of the poor Gibney family, but also the others who may have lost their lives and countless numbers whose lives have been made a misery from his stupid and short-sighted policies and obsession with speeding.

I'm quite sure there are others who are more than happy to carry RB's torch so what is needed is action against failing policies which can only be done by debate and good reasoning. Like most people here, I'm sure we would like to throw the custard pie of truth in his face and although I wasn't personally offended by the remark I just saw it as unhelpful to use such vitriol against RB.

I'm quite sure there are very many who feel the same as antera309 but choose to keep it to themselves.

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