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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:13 
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Women and gay men are 'worst drivers'
By Sarah Radford and agencies
Last Updated: 2:25am GMT 04/01/2008

Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown.

Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men.

Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists.

Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information.

The computer-based tests were carried out on 140 volunteers, and demonstrated that gay men, straight women and lesbians navigated in a similar way, sharing the same weaknesses.

The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators.

Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects.

The research team, led by Dr Qazi Rahman, used virtual reality simulations of two common tests of spatial learning and memory developed at Yale University.

In one, volunteers had to swim through an underwater maze to find a hidden platform, while the second involved exploring radial arms projecting from a central junction to receive 'rewards' .

Dr Rahman said: "Men are good at using distal, or geometrical cues, to decide if they’re going north or south, for instance. They have a better basic sense of direction, but they can use local land marks as well.

"Driving in a novel environment which is poor in cues is where these differences are likely to show up most.

"Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks."

Dr Rahman added that a similar performance between gay and straight men in the radial arms test showed that the divisions between sexual groups were not straightforward.

"Gay people appear to show a ‘mosaic’ of performance, parts of which are male-like and other parts of which are female-like," he said.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:27 
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Dixie wrote:
Note: the word gay has changed to spam. I assume it is a spam filter on the safespeed site.

Some time ago we were getting a lot of hardcore porn spam to the forums and some word filters were put in to lessen the effect.

Unfortunately because of web filtering at work I can't even review it at the moment - I think cat lovers might be affected as well :neko:

Edit: I've sort of fixed it by changing "gay men" to "g@y men". It seems to be that phrase that is rejected rather than just the word "gay".

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My observations tend to concur with this. I have a lady friend who I go off-road cycling with. She clearly navigates by using landmarks and way points and in unfamiliar territory will prefer to retrace her "footsteps" to get back to base rather than pick a new route. I am more inclined to just say "Go that way" (and be right too!)

Her memory for detail is seriously impressive and will use things as landmarks that I havent even noticed. (and, in turn, she is as impressed with my sense of direction as I am to her attention to detail)

It would be wrong to say that one Navigastion technique is superior or inferior to the other. they are skills (instincts) that have evolved to meet diferent requirements.

If you consider the demands of a "Hunter gatherer" socioty the reasons for the diference in navigation skills/technique become more clear. (it is also why women generally have a diferent stratagy towards shopping than men too :) )

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Revelation - men and women are DIFFERENT!!! :o :o :o

There are good and bad in all sexes and orientations - us butch lassies :lol: who have good spatial awareness AND good attention to detail have the best of both worlds!

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This provides an amusing take on the "shopping" and waypoint based "Navigation" issue. :D

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Dusty wrote:
This provides an amusing take on the "shopping" and waypoint based "Navigation" issue. :D

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Blimey! It seems so... so... logical! :lol:

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haha - but how come they often return with sod all - even though they found loads of "really nice" things on the way :/


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PeterE wrote:
Edit: I've sort of fixed it by changing "gay men" to "g@y men". It seems to be that phrase that is rejected rather than just the word "gay".

I've now removed "gay men" from the word filter - all the rest stays, though.

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Edit: I've sort of fixed it by changing "gay men" to "g@y men". It seems to be that phrase that is rejected rather than just the word "gay".

I've now removed "gay men" from the word filter - all the rest stays, though.

In my naval career (Navigation specialist) I spent four or five years teaching navigation both to young officers and to more advanced students. Once women were allowed to serve at sea we started to get them taking the various levels of navigation course the Navy prescribed.

In my experience, they were either very good navigators or extremely bad ones – the bad far outweighing the good. On a typical Sub Lieutenants course of 12 to 15 students, two or three would be women, and they would almost always end up near the bottom of the course. Having said that, every other course or so would produce one woman who had an aptitude for navigation - and she would probably finish somewhere near the top. The others would be propping up the pile as usual.

I am convinced it was a question of spatial awareness – get the student to look out of the bridge window, take in the surroundings, and then point out on the chart where he or she thought the ship was, and most of the men would get it more or less right. The women (with the odd exception, as above) tended not to have a clue.

It's the same with driving. Some women are extremely good at it – and those, dare I say it, are better drivers than many men – but even more are rather bad at it.

I shall retreat into my bomb-proof bunker and await the fall-out!!!!! :bunker:

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Nah, no matelot can read a proper map! :P


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Judging by the news today, that nervous lady (who in my view shouldn't have a licence) doing 10 mph on the Motorway and only got banned a mere week, was infinately more dangerous than the competant driver doing 100 mph!

She SHOULD have had her licence revoked, and ordered to retake it!... She is clearly NOT competant!

Over to Greenp*ss and Teaspout 200!......................


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Draco wrote:
Judging by the news today, that nervous lady (who in my view shouldn't have a licence) doing 10 mph on the Motorway and only got banned a mere week, was infinately more dangerous than the competant driver doing 100 mph!

She SHOULD have had her licence revoked, and ordered to retake it!... She is clearly NOT competant!

She was busted back down to a provisional license.

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Yes, and I suspect the chances of her passing the re-test are slim to nil. In fact I'm surprised that 'being scared of driving' isn't a notifiable condition! :lol: :lol:

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Nah, no matelot can read a proper map! :P


Course not - we use proper CHARTS, crabfat! :P

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You deckies have silly names for everything! :)


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4by4 wrote:
You deckies have silly names for everything! :)


I have a friend who is a former Royal Marine. He has NO sense of direction when driving, yet who can use star navigation, charts, GPS, whatever, to take his yacht round the world! :)

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Thatsnews wrote:
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You deckies have silly names for everything! :)


I have a friend who is a former Royal Marine. He has NO sense of direction when driving, yet who can use star navigation, charts, GPS, whatever, to take his yacht round the world! :)


So, by definition he must be gay ?
Do we pay for all this pointless research ?
Does this mean that womens insurance will be more expensive because they recognise trees, or that if you're gay your insurance will be more expensive because you think like a woman ?
Or maybe if you're gay your insurance will be cheaper because thinking like a woman, means you will have less accidents ?
And where does all this leave gay women ?


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