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But we also have "expectation of a required standard" und driving at 10 mph as Observer say ist like coming across a stationary car or jams.


But you do not expect someone to dash across such a road on foot nor do you normally expect a car to be travelling in that manner because the driver has a "phobia" which really equate to "should not get into any driving seat if really that way afflicted unsupervised or at all"

If I close in on such a car und there ist car behind me.. then I will whack on the hazards to warn that we have a problem here as it courteous common sense to try to tell the blokes behind that we approach a right muppet here.


Fortunately I do not come across any more than the queues which you can see within the limit point horizons und which you slow und adjust to.. und not these muppets.

If I were to.. then hazard warnings to flash warning und the hands free phone dials the local plod to report the idiots.

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Superb reply Nos4r2, as firstly your co. has the same policy as most companies i.e. No Passengers (unless co. employees) but as for the insurance I think you will find that it is now a legal requirement to have pasenger liability for all vehicles.

But what virtually all companies do for obvious reasons is to ban all passengers irrespective to ensure that they or their insurers don,t get landed with hefty injury claims as (I am not sure) but you may remember like me the days of the "Dodgy" night out i.e. park up and hitch a lift home and then hitch a lift back in the morning, but that,s another story !

Another one that car drivers don,t think about when they decide to cut in front is when the truck they have just carved up (literally) is a tanker with a "Liquid Load" that when you brake something like 24 tonnes of a moving mass decides to push you forward which then gives you the effect of a hell of a kick up the backside and because of weight transference i.e. the "liquid load" going backwards and forwards in the tank you have a see-sawing effect which there is "absolutely" nothing you can do about as again it comes back to forward planning but with all the planning in the world "No-one" not even perfectionist "weepej" could plan for the idiots who decide that the gap is "THEIRS" and to hell with the consequences of what mayhem they cause behind them as it is also very rare these days to find a driver who will sit behind someone in traffic and wait for traffic to move along as there is always the one who "has to get to the front whatever the costs" even if only just to gain a few yards and in the process infuriates the ordinary motorist waiting patiently in turn

BTW "Weepej" you still haven,t answered the question about how do you determine a "Residential Area" as asked in earlier posts and as one post suggests when you are unable to answer the question you a) avoid it or b) just totally twist the question round with a non-answer

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Well I made much the same observations many pages ago Observer. Unfortunately it seems we've all got to ignore all the right parts about each others arguments and absolutely jolly well prove that the wrong part is really wrong and we are more right than you are and say it in as many different ways as possible so there

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Tankers have slosh plates inside. Fuel tankers are divided into compartments, and those have slosh plates inside them, each one.

You are talking about "Road Barrels" a different concept to the tanks I load as a 20 ft container tank these doesn,t have "baffles" or as you call them "Slosh Plates".

That is where you get the load going backwards and forwards as I said in the post.

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Why should people leave a two second gap (or more if the situation dictates)?



More than you do obviously, Mr why should I leave a suitable gap before the person in front.



Assumption is the mother of all cock ups (and road crashes).




I do.



Now you're just being silly. Let me take you on a cycle ride across London and lets see who's nervous.

I'm careful for sure, but I wouldn't class myself as nervous.

I rather think you missed the point. Consider a situation where you're in the RH lane of a dual-carriageway, passing slower-moving traffic but, at the same time, keeping a 2-second gap between you and the car in front. There's another car behind you wanting to pass you, Once past the slower traffic you indicate, check your mirrors and move over into the LH lane. As you do so, you see - directly ahead of you - a car crawling along at 10mph in the LH lane, which was hitherto hidden from your view by the car ahead. You can't swerve back into the RH lane because the car which was behind you is now passing you, and you quickly realise, to your horror, that your 'safe' 2-second gap has turned out to be not nearly enough.

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If you don't know the answer to those, please refrain from driving( or even cycling) ,till you do, better still -do not pass go ,or a driving school, pop in and book some driving lessons before the nice men in a shiny volvo
decide that you are indeed a menace and propose you for a retest.And then , book yourself for some lessons in basic cycle craft .

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Bear in mind that two seconds' worth or space need not necessarily be in a straight line in front of your car. On a motorway your escape route could quite feasibly be the hard shoulder or another lane.

Nah, let me take you for a hypothetical drive through London in an artic. You can carry a slate to tally up how many cyclists try and undertake while we're turning left or on a right hand bend and having to hug the kerb to stop the trailer moving out into oncoming traffic. You can count how many stop in the blind spot under the nearside mirror too-or ride into any of the many blind spots and sit there...

London cyclists are by and large a danger to themselves as much as car drivers are to them. There are exceptions however and it's very nice to come across them!

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Try driving a sewage tanker. They don't have slosh plates either-something to do with 'solids'...

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That's what the government want you to believe of me. If they get back in I'm emigrating.

Incidentally, after a nice chauffered drive along said M32 yesterday, this whole story has taken on a new light...

Its a 2 lane motorway and its VERY busy. Really not the place to be if you're scared of driving...

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After being the chauffeur last night I found Staples-I passed it.

She's either terminally stupid or has no sense of direction.

The stop by Trafpol will have happened between HERE(fishponds M32 junction)-which incidentally I think I've seen her car near as I half remember the 'slow car' notice,
and HERE(Staples).

There's only a very short stretch of hard shoulder for a start. Take a close look at the road layout. I'm surprised she didn't kill someone weaving around there as it's a busy junction.

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From The Eastern Daily Press

07 January 2008 10:20

An elderly woman with poor eyesight was given a police escort yesterday after she ended up driving her mobility scooter along the A11.

Police received calls from several concerned members of the public after the pensioner was seen on the hard shoulder of the Thetford-bound dual carriageway at Snetterton at 1.30pm.

Officers caught up with the woman, who was partially sighted and was carrying a white stick, near East Harling and helped her off the busy main road.

A Norfolk Police spokeswoman said motorised scooters should not be driven along the A11, but the elderly driver had got a “bit confused.”


I came upon this , luckily the traffic was light and I could move sharpish into lane 2

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Exactly what I was saying (or at least an example of it). Thank you. You can't always see the 10mph idiot until it's too late, whether or not you leave a 2-second gap (or more). Unless you leave a truly ridiculous, totally impractical gap at all times, there will always be some way in which you can get caught out, however good a driver you are.

Why do I get the feeling that this particular missing of the point was not accidental? Despite what weepej says I don't believe for a second that he drives in such a way as to be able to cope with a 10mph muppet in all circumstances. I don't believe that he isn't sometimes in a position where he can't see beyond the large vehicle in front and has to rely on there not being a 10mph muppet somewhere in front of that vehicle. And I notice that he lectures me on assumption while neatly chopping out and not commenting on my example of something that you have to assume to go anywhere.

I've had it up to here with the disingenuous tactics, and I'm now totally convinced that weepej knows that he can't defend his assertions, hence the continued "missing" of the point, muddying of the waters and non-answering of the difficult bits. Whether he's a relatively original troll, someone who benefits from the operation of cameras or something else I'm not sure.

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You should be talking to bombus, my question was a rhetorical reponse to him asking "And why should they? [leave a two second gap]".

That's not what I asked and you know it. In other words, you're lying. It just confirms what I said about disingenuous tactics. If you think you're correct then why do you choose not to debate fairly?

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

You know exactly what I was saying, as did Pete317, and as will anyone else who has read the thread. I was talking about leaving enough space to see past the vehicle in front in the situation described by Nos4r2, which I quoted. That's why I said "enough space for that" rather than "a 2-second gap". It's all here. I even went on to clarify it in order to humour you.

You've now shown your true colours. I think you're nothing but a fairly well-disguised troll.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Actually, I'm beginning to think he's not a proper troll at all but someone who's very good at playing devil's advocate and it's working very well-it's got us lot talking properly again rather than rehashing the same old tired points that led to me not posting for ages.

I'm also wondering if you guys aren't getting confused by badly attributed quotes-some end brackets are missing and it's quite possible for
skim readers to mistake who's said what.


In reality we try and leave a safe gap as much as possible til someone else dives into it. We pay as much attention as possible to our mirrors is needed and plan as far ahead as possible. IF we're driving correctly then we can't do any more than that. COAST...

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