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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Or speed enforcement does reduce KSI...

Drug prohibition may well be costing many more lives and causing much more harm than more liberal attitudes. You've got to look at the whole picutre, the violence used to run the industry, the dodgy substances, the crime people commit to be able to afford a prohibited and expensive substance.

Liberal attitudes toward vehicular speed certainly looks like it costs many more lives and much more suffering than prohibition.

Words fail me! I actually agree!


And it was going so well.... There's no "certainly" about it. Scamera policy is a ruinous failure by any sensible measure, and it's high time the plug was pulled. Thank goodness that's finally happening. Even DfT secretly know what weepej claims not to.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

So hang on? Libertarianism good, or libertarianism bad? You lost me there I'm afraid.

Libertarianism good...when there's no overriding vested interest or ideology.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

So some nut doing 50mph in a busy 30 limit kills a child; a speed camera goes up and Dr Foster*, (who's never had an accident in his long life), later gets done for doing 34 mph on the same road when circumstances show it is safe to do so.

And that makes sense to you?




*pseudonym (And I'm not putting him above the countless other good/safe drivers with an impeccable driving record. It's an example from real life)

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

We use morphine as pain killer. The difference ist that the dose ist controlled und under supervision as constant.


Canada uses cannabis to treat MS .. even prescribe for three years per Montreal tabloids yesterday. But again .. we are talking prescribed dose under strict supervision und that ist the difference. Do Google on "Suisse News".. they also carry the item from Canadian press.

But it used only under close supervision where granted trial stages. So far UK /Europe still lobbying for right to at least trial for MS sufferers in particular .. und we use a teensy weensiest extract in some (not all) already licenced preparations prescribed as current .. ) but Quebec appear to have allowed a trial for three years. I think they allowed three spliffs per week or something...





But then .. this ist the same argument about speed cams und as such Brainstopped cannot use this argument when his speed cam policy ist also based on the policy of "potential harm"...


only in the case of drugs.. they do affect the body und the mind

VERY dangerous if you are in control of a car at 10 mph or 30 mph or 70 mph ...or whatever.. und you are in a drug zombied or high state dependent on which cocktails you have taken.

You are not tellin me they will not drug und drive when we already have this und the drink/tired/on legal medication problems already..


To Brainstopped who lurk on here.. no speed cam will stop their accidents und you will have many more KSI on your conscience as result.


und there ist no such thing as "control" or self discipline" ..when you are an ADDICT. An addict by definition ist someone who has an abnormal dependency on a substance .. a compulisve dependency und insatiable craving for them .. to the exten they do anything to get hands on them ,.. und never know when they had enough either.. und then overdose.. und die choking on own vomit sometimes. It not a pleasant way to live a life. There are better ways .. like driving car, living life properly.


It certainly not "harmless pleasure" when you get hooked on the stuff und lead your life as a slave to a habit of drugs. Und these substances? Smack.. crack.... highly addictive. Und legalising could lead to mixed cocktail which will kill rapidly too assuming you can biy from chemist shoppe over the counter.

The other way if Brainstop interpreted rightly.. ist via "prescription".. but this could only be prescribed to existing addicts. We still have the big criminals who will lure onto drugs to hook their "runners/go-fors/lackeys/fags" all the same. As no GP will just prescribe these drugs to someone who pops into surgery to ask for a dose "as he wannabe an addict" - legalising und giving the stuff to addicts not solve the problems anyways.


I note that it not make Amy Winehouse happy in her life either - nor could you argue it "harmless" when you watch a promising talent waste her success.


In other words.. it Brain s t as usual.

Und the big criminals out there? They find other nasties.. formulate some other cocktail to ensnare und "groom" their victims.

I would suggest to Brainstopped that he arrest the dealers und the pushers und chase after these criminals instead of trying to bury his woeful success in Wales und even more woeful success when it comes back to road safety with no change in 10 KSI per day by actually doing some sleuthing instead of blagging.

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By this description it sounds like Blunderstorm may well be an addict himself, hooked on speed cameras!

uh no, you take away the market, by prescribing to the addicts, you remove any impetus there is for the so called mr bigs to get anyone hooked on heroin etc in the first place. Thereby reducing the avaliability, certainally the "go on, try it, it's free" (untill you're hooked) aspect.

This was how it was untill the misuse of drugs act ('71 I think) made prescription to addicts illegal, and was a bonanza for dealers, as overnight their market went from those who could afford to anyone they can make an addict.

We've been working at it for long enough to realise now that we can't legistate our way out of drugs. Personally speaking I'd rather a crackhead get a £5 hit from my tax dollar than gets his £5 hit by breaking into my van and causing £1000 worth of theft and damage, or stealing your £500 VCR, to get his £5 hit. That fact you'd decimate the illegal drugs market in the process is a beneficial side effect. I can't understand how anyone can oppose this view, regardless of your view on drugs per se, unless you're too dim/blinkered to grasp the concept or are selling drugs.

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All that aside, the classification of drugs is BS and you know it, more people die from alcohol than every illegal drug going, and when you factor in that most of the illegal drug deaths are due to poor quality, ignorance, fear of seeking medical help and other non-direct issues it looks evan worse for drink. If drugs were impartially reclassified tomorrow alcohol would have to be considered on of the most undesriable. the problem is, kids realise drug policy is BS, and lose trust and faith in the system, and if pot isn't that bad then how bad can speed be? or E? and oh, that whizz was actually speedball BTW, wasn't that bad was it?

And then, whats that tribe in africa that all have big communial session once a month or so and chomp on halucagenic root? The ones that "partake" (the area is semi-westernised so many don't do it anymore) have been shown to be in better medical health, mentally and physically, than comparible members of the same tribe who don't.

Our "problems" with drugs are more a product of our hang-ups and our beligerent attitudes.

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has not worked in Switzerland where we went down that avenue. We have needle parks und free heroin und methadone plus medics in case of O/D.. but it not stopped the crimes all the same.

We find they will hook a fresh crop all the same .. on various other substances which are very much more dangerous. They will always find a new one.. just as the legal industry does.


We have literally thousands of synthetic concoctions .. after all. Whatever we put on market .. und one sedative .. found to be useful for the nasty in society as "date rape" drug.. was licenced as a sedative und prescribe as such. They do get hold of this und "copy" - which ist why they unstable und unsafe "on the street" in reality.

But that what these criminals do .. und no amount of legislation wil stop them from inflicting other nasties to hook their vicitms.




You used to und still do get chemists broken into. Krissi ist vet .. she gor burgled. They stole something which they thought was "morphine" because it had soemthing which gave the impression in the name. It was a powerul emetic..

But you still have to get hooked in the first place. It just does not happen und you do not get hooked by drugs unless you have purchased illegally or been introduced to them in the first place. .. also illegally.




I design medications for a living. I know what these drugs will do und they are not for leisure or pleasure und require supervision if used so that no harm or any harm kept to minimum.

Of course .. some chemo-therapies can be unpleasant... but are strictly monitored all the same.

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So they think to re-classify cannabis back to Class B as classifying to Level C has just confirmed the inherent dangers in real life out there.

Basically you have to teach not to take these .. und make sure they know that drugs are not sweeties und you cannot "pick n mix" either - which ist what they would do und do do in Switzerland where liberal policies are now being reviewed.




Probably they chew on the part of the plant which has the lowest content of the hallucogen so that the effect ist not quite so potentially damaging.


Our problem with drugs ist that we have a society who does not have any self discipline und an addiction mean just that., You cannot control that compelling craving und they will crave all the more.

The Mr Bigs of Organised crime?


Their lackeys are just "cannon fodder" to them. They will still entice with the drug - leaving the tax payer to foot the bill later .. as they will always have other kids to lure this way to do their bidding in their next equally criminal activity.


It naive to think these criminals will not find another nasty to trade in. There will still be an underworld trading in substances with "addittives to enhance the buzz" und best thing Brainstopped can do ist to lock up these pushers/dealers/hoodlums which ist what he paid to do.

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

I was posting to Riggers' thread und drift off topic as usual. I paste what I typed und hopefully moved und tied what typed to his "silly rules" discussion.

On that thread .. Observer made comment that one can have unlit cigarette in lips but not be breaking the ban on smoking as you are not smoking. But I should post there what now occur to me now in that "intent" might be a problem .. like the sleeping off drunken stupor in the pub car park.

Ach.. it a problem when you reply und umpteen things pop into head as you type

But in that thread I wrote




I then "went off on one" .. which I then thought better placed in this thread ..

so I do the "spindrift shuffle" I watch his style und have to say I learn how to use computer und internet as result und I suppose I should say "thanks" to him - even if we not at all see thing ever the same way. und copy -paste it.

This what I copy-paste to here und delete from other thread as irrelevant to it.

I have never "done" drugs either .. apart from becoming tolerant und then a bit dependent on a morphine based painkiller after that incident... even though I knew what it was doing to me.. und I was by own admission .. er .. "hell" to live with when Mad Doc took decisive action to save me from this dependency. I did not become "addicted" but the dependency was taking hold .. und I think it was because they controlled the pain which had been truly "white heat raging!" at the time. Looking back.. I think it was more fear of that pain which drew me to those pills in all reality.

But I should post on the Brainstop thread here as it related und driftiing from topic.. but I can understand the compelling draw to any substance if you take sufficient of it und this include tobacco products und booze. But there are substances which are controllable with some greater ease. But AA und means to wean off booze und tobacco products ist less fraught than weaning a real addict off serious addiction. I know as we first foster then adopt a child who born an addict to heroin.


We had several sleepless nights with Andrew as baby in our care. When you are charged with the responsibility of caring for a baby in such early trauma... you just know that it only right to make sure that you try to keep these substances in check.

Ach.. I did not drink in any pregnancy or weaning of kittens. That my decision. I admit that I had the odd one sip in family toasts at family "dos"... but this does not harm the unborn within as too small to count.

But if rampant addict or subject the developing life within to huge amounts because of addiction.. then you end up with a child born with a similar craving as unfortunately for us wimmin.. the baby grow inside us und for the full 9 months of gestation - that child to be eat und nourished by the mama to be.,,, und if mama an addict to anything,. then her baby will be born with such cravings. Our son.. I do not really like to keep saying he adopted .. as he ist OUR son now in every sense of the word und he now almost 8 years und alert.. quick minded.. simply adorable.. .. but he was a nightmare as baby und we still have to be careful when he poorly - even though we think his body growing out of "pre-disposition".

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
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Fine me for Safe Speed
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Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
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Je ne regrette rien!

That is not always true. What about someone who takes one of Blunder's safe legal drugs (crack, LSD, speed, grass, heroin, what-have-you) then whilst totally out of it, climbs into their car, drives off and crashes into a bus, killing all those on board?

I wonder if he is snorting coke? There's all the classic signs, you know. Over-reaching sense of self, "god complex", acting in ways that other people consider shocking, yet unable to understand WHY what was said or done was shocking, and so forth.

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I intend to reply to Wildcats LOADED posts when i've taken it all in, Im just curious of one thing about RB as i noticed in a few posts there is talk of RBs safe drugs:



If RB has promoted these drugs as safe then yes i agree with this comment:



Not personally but i can understand the God complex from cocaine, i'm slightly unsure on what RB is saying, as i don't follow politicians if im honest, has he said certain drugs are safe cause IMO the only safe drugs are tobacco, caffeine and alcohol maybe Cannabis when used right, the idea of him saying crack, LSD etc are safe infuriates me. Please say if im wrong but going on what i've read if his camera policy is a ridiculous as his drugs policy then Wales has a problem!

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There are some conflated issues there. One thing you could do to answer this is to try to separate the concerns out. For example, there are many laws that prohibit this already. They could relate to the physical state of the driver (e.g. does he has his glasses on? Can he reach the pedals of the car? Is she wearing high heel shoes?) while some of them relate to the mental state of the driver (is he tired out, or high on booze or drugs, or angry, emotionally immature or mentally ill etc?). Is there something special about drugs, over and above all those other things?



We are free to wonder, but wonder on its own doesn’t convince anyone. For example, I wonder if the main reason for all this prohibition is that the government find it difficult to tax dope, so they ban it instead?

There are plenty more than that, and only some of them are not legal. Laughing gas (!) has a cult of middle class followers. Magic mushrooms are (or were) legal until recently. Passiflora seems to work (the government can butt out on that, too), and hundreds of other drugs that are legal. I can't talk about "safe" anymore because the word has no meaning. I think "safe enough" might be best applied when talking of drugs. Certainly tobacco and alcohol are barely "safe enough", if at all.

PS: I found this rather good quote on the Internet about how "safe" boozing is:


I wonder how true that is?

Probably completely accurate, though meaningless out of the context that probably 1000000X more people consume alcohol than all illegal drugs combined, and that alcohol is 1*10^12X easier to obtain in any quantity.

If alcohol were being introduced today as a new thing it would be banned. I've seen many peoples lives ruined by it, from completely different walks of life, and it's the only drug I have come close to being truly addicted to.

I don't mean this to be a confession session but from my own personal experience no-one becomes a drunk overnight. It's like a cancer. After a shitty day at work and the stress of life, work, failed relationships etc., what better than a drink to take the edge off your woes? Trouble is, 1 becomes 2 and 2 becomes 3... The bottle of wine which years ago would have knocked you off your feet doesn't even hit the spot any more.

But then, (over several years in my case), you start to rely on it until one day you realise it's a crutch and you're downing two bottles of wine every day and you can still get up for work the next day with a spring in your step. What's almost as bad is you start to lie to others about how much or how often. You know where all the local stores are and how late they are open to sell drink. The drink starts to control you instead of the other way around.

So I think I can relate to a drug taker's addiction from my own experiences.

The shame about alcohol is that in moderation it's actually beneficial. In fact, I remember reading an article many years ago which said that life insurance companies actually prefer moderate drinkers to tea total. I'm not sure you can say the same about any other drug?

I'm glad to say I'm more under control these days.

Hic

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Absolutely, and that's why it is more dangerous IMO.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I admire your honesty big tone and do agree drinking is a cancer but younger people don't see that until as you say they see it as a crutch. Out of the widely available and legally sold drugs alcohol is by far the worse because you don't see the addiction coming, then who knows how much you're drinking when you do.



Id say your stats are pretty accurate seeing how easy it is to buy booze and the quantity you can buy! Evil Fuel, plus for americans it takes a hell of alot more to get em drunk, *BELLOWS* "Put The Cheeseburger Away, Step Away From the Fries"

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