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At that price they would be cheaper than a years depreciation. I could tow one behind the motor home... it wouldnt matter if it fell off.

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I love it. I hope they bring that over here, it will really piss off the public transport fans.

Hell, I'm tempted to ditch my 1991 Volvo and buy one of those as my new spare car for when one of ours is broken.

I wonder if it would get through ESVA?

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I like it

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I love it. I hope they bring that over here, it will really piss off the public transport fans.

Hell, I'm tempted to ditch my 1991 Volvo and buy one of those as my new spare car for when one of ours is broken.

I wonder if it would get through ESVA?

With the need to meet EU type approval, add extra kit for the European market, pay local taxes, import costs, distribution overheads etc. I would expect the £1300 price in India (which is pre-tax anyway) to translate to something in the £3-4k range in this country.

That makes the attraction of buying a crappy, flimsy little new car as against a larger, more comfortable and more crashworthy used car a lot less overwhelming.

After all, you can already buy things like a Matiz for under £5k, but most people with that kind of budget to spend on a car choose not to.

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I bet it will cost a lot more once it gets here, has to comply with all the regulations and includes the UK tax and import costs.

Would suit me at present and provide basic transport for local visits. Better than going on the bus, if you can find one that goes where you want.


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The idea of millions of Nanos on the road alarms environmentalists. Rajendra Pachauri, the chief UN climate scientist, said last month that he was “having nightmares” about it.


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Green campaigners point to India’s terrible road system and rising pollution levels. “Even if they claim it will be fuel efficient, the sheer numbers will undermine this,” Vivek Chattopadhyaya, an air pollution specialist at the Centre for Science and Environment in Delhi, said.
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Delhi, where air pollution levels are more than twice the safe limit, is already registering 1,000 new vehicles a day.

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As Greenpeace activists outside the show held banners demanding “Cut CO2 emissions”, Mr Tata dismissed environmental concerns. He said that his car, which does 50 miles to the gallon, would conform to all emission standards in India and Europe. “We need to think of our masses. Should they be denied the right to an individual form of transport?” he asked


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Depending on how heavy it is, and how powerful, they might be able to get it into the EC as a "quadricycle". Ligier and Aixam do these. The type approval requirements are, however, nothing like as demanding as for an ordinay car.


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PeterE wrote:
I would expect the £1300 price in India (which is pre-tax anyway) to translate to something in the £3-4k range in this country.


We need more low tech cars here, stripped of all the wasteful baggage and cheap to run, like the old days.


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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2691435.cms

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The current engine is a 623 cc, two-cylinder, MPFI engine with single-balancer shaft and four-speed manual transmission. The top speed is around 105 km per hour. The power-train is packaged in the rear to increase interior space and improve manoeuvrability.


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“For the next two-three years, our focus will be India,” Mr Tata explained. “If the car is a good value proposition, it will sell well not only in India but elsewhere too, and we would like to exploit that.” Once the car does vroom abroad, Tata could either go for local assembly or exports, depending on the tariff structures in those markets.


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The company has applied for 34 patents on aggregates, which will be leveraged across its other platforms as well. Most engine parts have been patented, including the two-cylinder petrol engine with single-balancer shaft.

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If they've included a balancer shaft it will consume more energy, make the engine heavier, more costly to produce and ultimately more unreliable I would have thought.

If they'd made it a V-Twin instead, or boxer like the BMWs, which is inherently balanced, they wouldn't have needed a balancer shaft and cooling would have been better/easier/cheaper.

Maybe there's method in their madness.

They should have used the lump from a Suzuki V-Strom eh R1Nut? ;)

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Big Tone wrote:
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If they've included a balancer shaft it will consume more energy, make the engine heavier, more costly to produce and ultimately more unreliable I would have thought.

If they'd made it a V-Twin instead, or boxer like the BMWs, which is inherently balanced, they wouldn't have needed a balancer shaft and cooling would have been better/easier/cheaper.

Maybe there's method in their madness.

They should have used the lump from a Suzuki V-Strom eh R1Nut? ;)

Nothing wrong with balance shafts. Also Vwins are also not inherintly balanced and Boxer engines are only if they have forked rod ends, which most don't.

The only true "balanced" engine are in-line 6 configurations. Even some large displacement 4 cylinder engines have balanced shafts to reduce second order vibration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance

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If they've included a balancer shaft it will consume more energy, make the engine heavier, more costly to produce and ultimately more unreliable I would have thought.

If they'd made it a V-Twin instead, or boxer like the BMWs, which is inherently balanced, they wouldn't have needed a balancer shaft and cooling would have been better/easier/cheaper.

Maybe there's method in their madness.

They should have used the lump from a Suzuki V-Strom eh R1Nut? ;)

Nothing wrong with balance shafts. Also Vwins are also not inherintly balanced and Boxer engines are only if they have forked rod ends, which most don't.

The only true "balanced" engine are in-line 6 configurations. Even some large displacement 4 cylinder engines have balanced shafts to reduce second order vibration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance



My V-Twin is perfect dude. Didn't I get anything right? :cry:

Maybe I should've been a chef :)

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Lum wrote:
I love it. I hope they bring that over here, it will really piss off the public transport fans.

Hell, I'm tempted to ditch my 1991 Volvo and buy one of those as my new spare car for when one of ours is broken.

I wonder if it would get through ESVA?

With the need to meet EU type approval, add extra kit for the European market, pay local taxes, import costs, distribution overheads etc. I would expect the £1300 price in India (which is pre-tax anyway) to translate to something in the £3-4k range in this country.

That makes the attraction of buying a crappy, flimsy little new car as against a larger, more comfortable and more crashworthy used car a lot less overwhelming.

After all, you can already buy things like a Matiz for under £5k, but most people with that kind of budget to spend on a car choose not to.




I agree, my car is worth about £2k private and I'd get £1,500 part ex. It's got Air con, remote CL, leccy windows, power steering, it seats 5, never ever goes wrong and will cruise along at 100 units all day long. It's just that it's nearly 10 years old.


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Valle Crucis wrote:
We need more low tech cars here, stripped of all the wasteful baggage and cheap to run, like the old days.


I'm not sure that this would be posible any longer. Environmental pressures have pretty much ensured that engine management systems are now feindishly complex and consumer pressure (aprticularly for the coveted "5 EuroNCAP stars") is demanding the rest.


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As a "green" I think this is a great idea.

In the context of the road situation in India I think it will certainly make things safer there. And probably less polluting, too.

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The front page headline on today's Independent (aka Scaremongerer) is Can the world afford the Tata Nano?

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Anumita Roychoudhary, a campaigner with the Centre for Science and Environment, said the Tata car was making driving too affordable...

Nice to see the greenies wanting to make sure the poor are kept poor :roll:

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PeterE wrote:
The front page headline on today's Independent (aka Scaremongerer) is Can the world afford the Tata Nano?

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Anumita Roychoudhary, a campaigner with the Centre for Science and Environment, said the Tata car was making driving too affordable...

Nice to see the greenies wanting to make sure the poor are kept poor :roll:


And in their place.
So, while the rest of us are walking, biking or bussing, the green crusaders will be flying across the globe to foreign climes to fight the menace of global warming and people climbing out of the gutters to better themselves. Never forgetting the air-conditioned limos' when they get there (these foreign climes are so hot and humid)


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News editors can show pictures to tell whatever story they want, but on the news there was a man in a suit with the mrs and daughter all on a scooter. When ever there are pictures of urban India on the telly we see scooters being used as freighters. It can't be good, mine hates it and I have the option of using the car.

I'm sure there are used cars for the same money as a new Tata Nano.

I suppose what will happen is everyone will one day afford a car and so the city centers become more congested so the traffic slows up to a rate slower than it is now, like London has, so the smart commuters get back on bikes, just more desireable bikes.


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As a "green" I think this is a great idea.

In the context of the road situation in India I think it will certainly make things safer there. And probably less polluting, too.


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