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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 14:16 
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PUTTING BRAKES ON SPEEDERS, as per article in today's Heartland evening news
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from Jo Edwards, the county council's senior road safety engineer

"We invite any feedback from our communities, which will of course be taken into account by the county councillors when choosing which schemes should be prioritised.


Which probably means that we will invite any comment and then ignore it
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"We are very happy with the way in which the review is progressing."



---and yes, is a translation really necessary .


There is a consultation space at Warks propaganda office , and information on the proposed changes (and the cost )(from a County constantly shouting poverty for roads spending )

Might be interesting if any Warks based posters started to reply, although with this lot ,suspect only the threat of votes lost in May might work, but possibly by then it will be too late .

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but if you are doing ~70mph on the 70 mph road, how are you speeding?

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The proposals include changing the speed limit on the bypass from 70mph to 50mph.


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This seems to give the most detail:

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/speedlimitreview

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prof beard wrote:
This seems to give the most detail:

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/speedlimitreview



Sort of mentioned that one in my post -Prof - but interesting that for about two years one major road near me has needed the gullies raising ,and trenches filling - I raised this with my county councillor - WCC excuse -lack of cash -but they found enough to upgrade the pavements and half the road,after replacing two zebra crossings with the latest type.

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The lying bastards...

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/corp ... rategy.pdf

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Every year between 500 - 1000 people are killed or injured in Warwickshire as a direct result of being in a crash where speed was the major contributory factor.

Speed is a familiar problem....


So then I looked up the stats for 2006:

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/corp ... ssue_1.pdf

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TOTAL KSI for 2006 = 400


Interesting that there are no contributory factors in their stats, but if we apply our known 5% to the above that's 20. Just a bit different to 500 - 1000 (although I note they left out "seriously" before injured.)

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What is so interesting is that not so long ago, there was a report (in CET ,I think),where the PR man for Warks SCP(the Smilie mob) was claiming that Warwickshire had almost brought the accident rate down to the level required by the Govt in (think it was )2010. So now they want to reduce limits,claiming that it will reduce accidents - they can't have it all ways - either the accident rate is down ,and limits don't need to be reduced .or that press report contained more porkies than a piggery.

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I just wrote to the Tribune, who had it on the front page last week:

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I was dismayed to read of the speed limit reviews in the Tribune the other day.

Not dismayed because some limits are being amended, it may well be the case that there are unsuitable limits which should be addressed.

No, I was dismayed because of the lack of justification for these changes and because of the sensationalist and disingenuous way the council have chosen to publicise this review. The council should be performing “safety” reviews, not a narrow minded “speed” review. “Speed kills” is one of the most dangerous policies every brought out, giving the impression that to always travel at the posted limit is always safe.

The “Speed Management Strategy” (1) published on the Councils website starts with the horrifying “Every year between 500 – 1000 people are killed or injured in Warwickshire as a direct result of being in a crash where speed was the major contributory factor”.

This is a grossly misleading statement. Referring to the 2006 road traffic statistics (2) for Warwickshire, I note that the TOTAL “Killed and Seriously Injured” for all causes was 400 in the whole county.

Unlike national statistics, Warwickshire seems to have chosen not to publish contributory factors, however it’s not unreasonable to suppose that accidents in the county are caused by similar factors to the national average.

The national statistics (3) show that “exceeding the speed limit” is a contributory cause in only 5% of accidents and this includes accidents where the major factor was for other reasons. Applying that percentage to the Warwickshire figures show that the “500 – 1000” is more like 20.

I also note there are no justifications given for any of the proposed changes. Is there any real justification for these or is it a “because I think so” decision by civil servants?

Furthermore on reading further through the strategy document I note that the “Engineering” policies all seem to imply policies to reduce speed, does this I wonder mean that we can expect to see further destruction of our roads with chicanes, speed bumps and other such obstructions designed to make driving unpleasant? Do they not understand that these distractions are no better than illegal distractions such as using mobile phones, eating whilst driving etc, and can in fact CAUSE accidents?

It’s my view that the Council is addressing transport in completely the wrong way. Speed should NOT be tackled as an issue in isolation. The roads exist to get people from A to B and the aim of any review should be to “allow travel in the safest and fastest way possible”. It should not be an objective in itself to slow traffic down to a crawl.

Where speed is an issue, limits or cameras are not the way to resolve this. Traffic police on the roads are – and then they might stop some of the millions of dangerous, banned or not insured drivers on our roads, instead of a motorist doing 33 in a 30 (and finding out about it by post 2 weeks later).

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Under the plans safety improvements will be made to more than 90 roads across Warwickshire.

The huge scheme will cost about £1.2 million.


Perhaps the time has come to ask county councillors why repairs are not being done to the County roads when the excuse is lack of cash??I certainly am quoting this to my county councillor - not so long ago he asked about some badly needed repairs to be told "lack of cash".And then we have the patch up jobs - OK ,if cash is tight, but apparently not in this case. I wonder what Warks Police could do with £1.2 million . We might then even see a PC on duty (as today when some PR exercise was taking place ).

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"E" is for Education which means that we are "Telling" you we are changing the speed limits irrespective of what you say because "We Know Better" than you "The Motorist" as we have the statistics to prove it :!: :!: :? :? :evil: :evil:

"Engineering" is the term we use for lowering speed limits and installing road humps and chicanes and other "paraphernalia" to impede as much as possible your progress on our roads and to make your life as a law abiding motorist as miserable and slow as is humanly possible and any ideas or assistance in this project would be greatly appreciated by the council :!: :!: :? :? :evil: :evil:

"Enforcement" is the term we use for using ever more DEVIOUS means of extracting more money out of the law abiding motorist by speed cameras and other hidden devices such as bus lane cameras and hiding cameras behind road signs and hedge rows as we need the money to pay for all the non-jobs that we employ such as the recycling inspectors and the cultural ethnic watchers and all the other "Quangos" that we have to pay for so YOU the motorist will have to subsidise all these non-jobs :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :x :x :? :?

A Happy New Year from all at "The Scamera Partnerships" of Warks Council :!: :!: :evil: :evil: :x :x :? :?

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Stormin - a gem :clap:--you forgot about the litter inspectors who issue £75 fines in our town centre , in the absence of bins :o :lol: ,and the estate wardens ,who do ????(or do they report to the PCSO,who do ??)

Saw a paper in Rugby listing all the various grades of warden like posts -think there was about six in all.

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