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. How can they be "safety devices” when they do not stop dangerous behaviour?


They do, their presence makes people slow down.

If they weren't there at all a good percentage of people would drive much too fast for the road.

Sure, some still do despite the cameras.


So they don't stop it?

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The reason I believe this, is that you believe a device that just enforces the law is a safety device. An airbag, a seat belt etc etc… are safety devices. They do not enforce the law, they help to protect you.

How does a speed camera stop a driver driving at an excessive speed(within or above the legal limit)?
How does a speed camera stop a joyrider, as he/she drives past one?
They don’t, all they do is ensure compliance with the law for a short stretch of road .



Answer my questions (Aboce and below).

. How can they be "safety devices” when they do not stop dangerous behaviour?

The whole point of a safety device is to minimise the danger presented to you by something, which is hazardous.

A Speed camera measures speed, it does and can not measure safety. All a speed camera does is detect if a car is exceeding a legal limit. It does not detect and prevent dangerous behaviour (below the limit).

Assume no broke the speed limits, how would these devices detect dangerous behaviour? How would they continue to make the roads safe?

Don’t say if we stayed within the limits there would be no accidents, because then I would call you a liar.

I am not a criminal nor do I condone criminal acts

The cameras are safety devices as they stop the dangerous behaviour known as SPEEDING. Whay don't you consider speeding to be dangerous? You don't consider speeding to be dangerous, therefore you support speeding, therefore you supprot criminals.
If no-one broke speed limits there would be no need for these cameras - PLEASE try to understand this concept - I know it's too cpmplicted for pro-speeders, but have a go :lol:


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It is not a difficult concept. In fact it is no more difficult than answering questions people ask you. This is clearly a concept you find difficult to grasp. :lol:


What do you mean by speeding? Going faster than the legal limits, or an speed which is to fast for the conditions?

I consider speeding to be driving to fast for the conditions, because if you drive to fast for the conditions you are not following the COAST model (you are aware of the coast model?) of driving you will almost certainly crash.

ONCE AGAIN PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS and stop with the petty insults.

Have I said speeding is not dangerous?

What you find difficult to understand the legal speed limit is not a safety limit. All a speed camera enforces is the legal speed limit not the safe speed limit. What is difficult to grasp about that? They are not safety devices they are enforcement devices. They enforce the law.

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I predict this is where Gatsos forever will duck out of this thread and post the same irrelevant drivel on another thread. Until of course he inevitably gets asked the same question he has now been asked about 50 times and still he fails to give a meaningful answer.

So Gatsos forever, we are still waiting, are you going to answer our questions? Ever?


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I predict this is where Gatsos forever will duck out of this thread and post the same irrelevant drivel on another thread. Until of course he inevitably gets asked the same question he has now been asked about 50 times and still he fails to give a meaningful answer.

So Gatsos forever, we are still waiting, are you going to answer our questions? Ever?

You lot - explain why you claim to be a road safety group, yet this webstie is full of brainless insults against anyone who is the slightest bit concerned over deaths caused by morons speeding? Or the comments that support the destrucion of road safety equipment - and don't go on about 'cameras are a valid target' - all you're doing is proving your a mindless bunch of idiots who want to ignore speed limits and, by doing that, deliberately put innocent people in danger - if you want to drive fast, get a job driving racing cars - at least if you kill anyone the've accepted the risk - don't threaten innocent people.


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I predict this is where Gatsos forever will duck out of this thread and post the same irrelevant drivel on another thread. Until of course he inevitably gets asked the same question he has now been asked about 50 times and still he fails to give a meaningful answer.

So Gatsos forever, we are still waiting, are you going to answer our questions? Ever?

You lot - explain why you claim to be a road safety group, yet this webstie is full of brainless insults against anyone who is the slightest bit concerned over deaths caused by morons speeding?


Deaths casued by morons speeding eh? How many people do you know and hold dear to you? How many people do you respect as being upstanding citizens? You bank manger? Doctor? Relatives? Because mark my words a fair number of them will 'speed', sure as manure smells. Do you classify all those people as morons? Or perhaps there is more to it than that?

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Or the comments that support the destrucion of road safety equipment - and don't go on about 'cameras are a valid target' - all you're doing is proving your a mindless bunch of idiots who want to ignore speed limits and, by doing that, deliberately put innocent people in danger - if you want to drive fast, get a job driving racing cars - at least if you kill anyone the've accepted the risk - don't threaten innocent people.


These comments appear where exactly?

Sorry GF, your shotgun random remarks aimed at this site and the members hereof and your unwillingness to engage in a proper discussion on the subject suggests that the mindless one in these exchanges is sitting on your side of your monitor and not ours.

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Hold on, you're the one who arrived with vitriolic dogma, bandying insults about. If you behave like a petulent child....

Many people here have shown a lot of forebearance in the face of your tripe, I think you should not take that for granted.

I'm not sure how many times you need it explaining to you, but these fora are a mixing pot where people can air their views, not a representation of the SafeSpeed campaign with every post. The opinions of each poster will vary from the next; you're an example!

The only 'brainless insults' I see here are from you: Having once again chosen to ignore the fact that the contents of these fora do not constitute formal SS policy you deliberately misrepresent people here suggesting we all want to ignore speed limits, and call us 'a mindless bunch of idiots'. You have in your mind a stereotype of who you want to fight and insult from the comfort of your keyboard, yet we are not those people, and all the strawmen you can throw forth will never make us so. I suggest you either wise up or bugger off.


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I'm not sure how many times you need it explaining to you, but these fora are a mixing pot where people can air their views


Not without constant accusations of trolling if you don't toe the safe speed line...


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I'm not sure how many times you need it explaining to you, but these fora are a mixing pot where people can air their views


Not without constant accusations of trolling if you don't toe the safe speed line...


Nonsense. Depends upon how you couch your argument, I've had plenty of differences of opinion that go against teh safe speed line and never been accused of trolling.

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weepej wrote:
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I'm not sure how many times you need it explaining to you, but these fora are a mixing pot where people can air their views


Not without constant accusations of trolling if you don't toe the safe speed line...



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gatsos forever wrote:
You lot - explain why you claim to be a road safety group, yet this webstie is full of brainless insults against anyone who is the slightest bit concerned over deaths caused by morons speeding?


We are all concerned over mindless deaths, but the emphasis is not on speeding as per the figure on the lollipop -but rather inappropriate speed - which you fail ,time and time again to realise.

Picture the M6 on a busy Friday night - speed limit 70 --- cars nose to tail - you would agree that anything over about 20 (and even that might be a bit ambitious ) would be the speed of a moron , yet at midnight the same stretch would be boringly dangerous at 70 .
And again ,inappropriate speed could be the speed of some old codger (usually round about 50 )in L1 on a free flowing motorway.

Take the actions of two motorists ,cut up by some chav, who probably thinks his actions are not dangerous - one sits back , gives him room and generally stays out of trouble, looking on the experience as a chance to learn - the other gets het up , speeds up ,and tries his best to impede the young idiot and learns nothing .

I'd sooner be the first one -wouldn't you ?

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