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The teachers in the family decided to ask the staff room for input. None of these people actually cycle to work by the way. For some reason very few teachers live near the schools they teach in.

So.. to our cute pets who lurk und the few who post (und most welcome really... just because we not see eye to eye does not mean we not you really ) - there can be very valid reason why someone not commute by bicycle.

But so many teachers drive to work. They decided to ask the staffroom what they think of speed cams.

98% of each staff room thought "scam tax". Most when asked to think of behaviour around the scamera - said they checked speedo .. und if they did not do so they worry in case they not drive to lolly speed





Jess teach in Merseyside .. but live in leafiest Cheshire. She teach at leafy Cheshire school before being appointed Headteacher of the sink school which she remove from "special measure" und to "decent showing in the exam stakes". She work hard though.. she not ever really stop But she encourage cycling in the school. She has it as part of PE .. but had to fight to get it. in reality. But I mention because it not so easy to just "move house" when your own kids are settled into local school und husband has lesser commute.


Jazz does live just about within a commute by bike radius but she has books und stuff. She sometimes takes her children with her in car. They attend the school she teach at (I do not think I would have liked that.. as girly) Ju-Ju? She work in other direction. To go by bicycle mean a detour round trip of extra 10 miles. It make for too long a day when she has a disabled son to cope with. (Meningitis as a toddler... so sad.. )


Just to explain that some may have valid reason to use cars

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I would have to say, the ability to think for oneself. Of course, this is a broad stroke, and could (and no doubt will be) misconstrued in any manner of strawman arguments. I think the crux of it is that the loudest message being broadcast to drivers is "Speed Kills", closely followed by "Don't drink/phone and drive". Whilst proponents of this message may mumble that its not all you have to do to stay safe, those other 'messages' are lost in the din.

So, we have drivers proceeding under the misconception that sticking to a closely prescribed set of rules is all thats required for the safety of themselves and everyone around them.

On this topic, and with the caveat to the more vociferous belligerents amongst us that I do not support the removal of all speed limits, I believe that the (hypothetical) removal of speed limit signs and cameras would not see any increase in accidents amongst at least 85% of the driving population.



Thats exactly what I'm saying. Policies like "Speed Kills", ie the overemphasis of the effects of speed limits on road safety, and the over-reliance on cameras, to the detriment of resources for proper roads policing, are the culprits. There are so many, far more dangerous, driving practices now abounding, that could be tackled by an increased police presence, both through action and the threat of detection, and would likely have been nipped in the bud before they became problematic had that presence not been reduced in favour of automation.

That is the problem as we are now all "conditioned" to be looking for the inevitable cameras especially when we drive in to a strange area that we are not concentrating on what we should be doing and that is looking at the road ahead and the surroundings etc.

I don,t subscribe to this culture of "you should know what your speed is" as with all the will in the world you will eventaully make a mistake that is normal for any human being as we are not infallible but the people who are "pro-camera" just cannot seem to grasp the fact that the majority of drivers have made a genuine error and not maliciously driven over the limit.

No matter what devices you have to slow drivers down be it "Gatsos or Specs cameras" or whatever there will always be a hard core of drivers who actually get a buzz out of trying to beat the limit and the cameras and these are the ones that should be targeted and not the ones who stray over the limit for a few yards or so.

This why I have said on numerous occassions that cameras are not the answer to the problem we need more traffic officers with unmarked vehicles as well to police the roads as they can immediately tell if it is offence warranting a prosecution or just a caution whereas a camera just records an incident for a few yards and has no discretion whatsoever.

Also another reason why the standard of driving has gone down dramatically is the simple fact that as the majority of cars nowadays have that many safety devices in the structure of the car such as "airbags / seatbelts" and other drivers equipment such as ABS / Power Steering etc. a lot of drivers are "Cocooned" in a safety cage and tend to not think about the inevitable happening and also forget about the other road users such as pedestrians and cyclists.

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Dear anyone,

what happened with that thread "The Pound" last Sunday? The first time I saw it was in the evening when I came on this board, but it had already been locked - so what happened on Sunday then? Because I would like a reply from these posts of mine: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:49 am to MGBGT and Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:32 am to SigmaMotion.

The only thing I can thing of was that there was a response to my posts, by who I don't know, which was not appropriate for a mature discussion. Which leads me on - if people who espouse the safe speed message don't act in a mature fashion on a message board, then how can I trust that they act maturely when driving?

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Well I guess I never am going to find out the relevance of Western Australia's Hooning laws in respect of hand-made road signs...

I guess you won't. If only you hadn't decided to pick at minor points made in replies to you and actually read whole posts, you'd have seen the explanation you seem now so desperately to require.

C'est la vie...

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I HAVE read (and replied to) whole posts. And this is the problem. There never was an explanation. If I am wrong, then please tell me the date and time of the post in which it was written. And if you can't tell me the date and time of the post in which it was written then please admit that you are wrong above about it existing.

And I don't desperately require it, I would just like to know. Different things you know.

Here we go again....

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Wonder what would happen if the mode of transport in the smilie was changed to something else (eg a broom).Would this remove any chance of alleged similarity to those who use pedal power.

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OH, OK. An explanation?

Here goes.

Good law introduced to stop bad things happening.

Law works. Bad things stop happening.

But. Bad police officer realises good law not written in clear language. Realises good law can be 'bent' to encompass anyone he wants law to encompass. (Man who frowned at him, woman who reminds him of ex-wife, someone he thinks short-changed him, etc., etc.) Other officers decide to follow suit.

Thus good law becomes bad law as innocent people are done for non-offences under a previously good law.

Public become angry, good law is seen as bad law, justice given kick in the crotch because bad police officer/s decided to bend law.

Such is the situation with anti-Hooning law.

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Well I'm waiting, Aquila...

Right.........

So how precisely does this fit in with someone putting up a hand-made sign as an additional reminder of what the speed limit is?

If you fail to see that --
LOOK HERE !!!

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No I still don't follow. We're comparing these Hooning laws where apparently police are pulling over people who haven't really done anything wrong with someone putting up a 30-sign to reinforce the message about what the speed limit. Considering that the speed limit on the road in question is in fact a 30, I cannot see how the two are linked. Perhaps YOU would like to explain?

Bombus, please substantiate your repeated troll accusations or grow up and stop making them.

OK, last attempt, then I chuck my laptop out the bleedin' window...

The good folk of Hampton Parva have made cardboard signs and placed them, unlawfully and without planning permission, along their sacred village's main drag and, in doing so are negating any possibility of a speeding prosecution due to their actions. The miserable bloody cops in WA have taken a poorly-statuted law and manipulated it for their own ends, making avoiding prosecution for trumped-up driver offences almost unavoidable. They are mirror-image situations...

GEDDIT?



I hope that this answers your kwestchun...

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

What other attempts did you make? (If you don't provide an answer to that and/or there weren't any then I will have to assume that you were lying. But if you don't care about your reputation then so be it.)



Oh give me a break, "mirror-image"? What a load of rubbish.



Why the negative attitude, Aquila? Can't you debate in an adult way? Can you show me where the above explanation was? Or would you now like to admit the truth which is that it wasn't there?

And yes, I can now see the (very tenuous) link. By the way, there was only one sign. Oh - it seems that YOU weren't reading whole posts.

So the police in general in WA have manipulated this law. One person in this town has put up a hand-made sign, not realising that that apparently would make the current speed limit - of which his sign was merely meant to reinforce - not count.

Oh yeah, real mirror-image situations those...

Sorry, but it is only fair that I be allowed to reply to this:



Oh ho ho. Well, jonnytheboy, if you think that all of my posts are trolling then so be it, but I suggest that you start with just 3 or 4 at a time. But if you can be sensible about this for a moment, what you do need to do is demonstrate how something I have said is trolling. It's not good enough to just say that I'm trolling. In other words, you need to say something like: "This particular post (of which I have copied below) is trolling because ... [insert specific reason]".

In all seriousness, go for it.

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Before you moan about middle-lane hoggers, check that you yourself are obeying all the rules of the road.

And just to show that I do want to talk about road safety, here's something I said before which was completely ignored by Bombus, Thats News, Johnnytheboy etc:

A detailed report showed that fixed cameras in urban areas cut fatal and serious collisions, after allowing for regression-to-mean and trend, by 17%. As well as that, what I like about speed cameras is that they are completely fair.