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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 08:24 
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'Useless' green levy on drivers rakes in £4bn
By Robert Winnett, Deputy Political Editor
Last Updated: 8:03am BST 24/04/2008
The Chancellor announced a significant increase in car tax in March.

The "green levy" on motorists announced in Alistair Darling's first Budget will double car tax revenue to £4 billion but reduce vehicle emissions by less than one per cent, Treasury figures have showed.

This will result in the owners of family cars, estates and people carriers paying hundreds of pounds a year more to use the roads.

Mr Darling claimed that the duty increase was designed to encourage motorists to switch to greener cars and to reduce the environmental impact of driving.

However, the Telegraph has seen Treasury projections which disclose that while the amount raised from car tax will more than double - from £1.9 billion to £4.4 billion by 2010 - carbon dioxide emissions from motoring are expected to drop by less than one per cent.

Justine Greening, a shadow Treasury minister who obtained the figures, said last night: "This is a massive tax hike which will have virtually no impact on the environment.

"Despite their claims, the Government don't expect this move to change behaviour at all - it is just another eco-stealth tax of the worst kind."

Some of the biggest tax increases are planned for drivers of mid-range family cars, including some models of the Ford Focus, the Renault Espace and even Nissan Micras.

However, the tax rises for Porsches and Rolls-Royces will be less - leading to allegations that poorer people are again being selected by a Labour tax measure.

The Conservatives have predicted that Gordon Brown will face a revolt similar to the 10p tax protest when ordinary motorists encounter the large duty increases next year and complain to their MPs.

The Budget announced a radical overhaul of the taxation system for cars - known as vehicle excise duty - claiming that the "majority of motorists will be better or no worse off in 2009".

However, that claim has been undermined by analysis showing that nine out of 10 vehicle models will be taxed more heavily from next year.

Under the scheme, cars will be divided into 13 groups for road tax purposes depending on their CO2 emissions. Annual road tax will then be charged at up to £440 for cars such as Jaguars, Range Rovers and even some people carriers, emitting more than 255g of CO2 per kilometre.

Cars producing less than 100g will not be taxed.

At present, there are seven bands, with the least green vehicles paying a maximum of £400. Some family cars will move up several bands.

The tax on a Vauxhall Astra 2.0i 16v or Saab 9-3 MY2008 will more than double, from £210 to £430. The owner of a Ford Focus 1.6 Duratec will pay 59 per cent more (£170 to £270), and tax on a Citroen Xsara Picasso will rise by 48 per cent to £310.

From 2010, there will also be a higher first-year rate - described as a showroom tax - for new cars. This will be levied on all cars emitting more than 130g of CO2 when they are bought and varies from £115 to £950.

Models attracting the £950 charge include Volkswagen Touaregs, the Audi A6 and A8 and Volvo V70s. Those in the next band - paying £750 - include Vauxhall Vectras, Mercedes M and E class estates, and Mitsubishi Shoguns.

The latest figures show that, following the changes, the amount of revenue raised from vehicle excise duty will increase from £1,923 million in 2007 to £2,920 million this year. It will go to £3,720 million in 2009 and to £3,920 million in 2010.

An additional £520 million will come from the showroom tax in 2010, taking the Government's tax haul to more than £4 billion.

Edmund King, the president of the AA, said that motorists would be "shocked" when they had to pay the higher levels of vehicle duty for virtually no environmental benefit.

"The draconian nature of the measures are not yet understood by the public who face a double whammy after also being hit with higher petrol prices," said Mr King.

"If the projected results of the move would be to significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions, the motoring public would be more likely to accept it. But it just benefits Treasury coffers not the environment."

There are almost 30 million cars registered and the number increases by about 500,000 annually. Therefore, only a small amount of the extra tax take is down to a rise in vehicle numbers.

The car tax increase is the latest example of policies that may be unpalatable being repackaged as environmental measures. Plans for 10 eco-towns were criticised some developments had previously been proposed and rejected.

A Treasury spokesman said: "The Government is committed to protecting the environment and tackling climate change. Part of this commitment involves promoting sustainable environmental improvements through tax and other economic instruments, and incentivising the development and uptake of lower emissions vehicles."

Motorists are already struggling with soaring petrol prices. The average price of a litre of diesel was a record 118.9p per litre yesterday, while unleaded cost 109.1p.

Petrol companies have been accused of exploiting fears over an oil refinery strike. Shortages across Scotland and northern England have been predicted if workers at Grangemouth, near Falkirk, begin a 48-hour strike on Sunday.


How long before people realise what's going on and do something about this? :roll:

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Dixie wrote:
How long before people realise what's going on and do something about this? :roll:


Hopefully that moment will come by May 2010.


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Dixie wrote:
How long before people realise what's going on and do something about this? :roll:


Precisely what ?
While the cons may say they will do something, their hands are tied.
The sad fact is that gov needs money to pay our public masters [sorry, servants] wages.
For every pound the gov saves in wastage it spends £1.50 in staffing increases.

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Dixie wrote:
How long before people realise what's going on and do something about this? :roll:


Precisely what ?
While the cons may say they will do something, their hands are tied.
The sad fact is that gov needs money to pay our public masters [sorry, servants] wages.
For every pound the gov saves in wastage it spends £1.50 in staffing increases.


It's funny how they can find an extra 50billion to help out banks.

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It's funny how they can find an extra 50billion to help out banks.


And fight pointless forign wars!

And fund the EUSSR!

Etc Etc

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Please tell me what the government will spend this money on which will not in its self use energy or cause energy to be used?

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It's funny how they can find an extra 50billion to help out banks.


And fight pointless forign wars!

And fund the EUSSR!



And pay countless lazy Chav slobs to stay at home, completely reliant on Government benefits (A great way of guranteeing votes!)

And pay £billions to IT Consultancy firms for Owellian fantasy projects that will never get off the ground.

And pay £billions more for an Olympics that will be of no beneft whatsoever to 99% of the population.

And employ thousands more regulatory staff for regulation of the regulative bodies that regulate the regulators.

And most importantly to fund research into NEW WAYS OF TAXING YOU!

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And pay £billions more for an Olympics that will be of no benefit whatsoever to 99% of the population.

As few as 99% you think!! :)

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And pay £billions more for an Olympics that will be of no benefit whatsoever to 99% of the population.

As few as 99% you think!! :)



I think all are questioning the spiralling costs of the London Lumpits!

As for "green levy" - recycling in itself has a cost to the planet. I am not saying that stuff should not be recycled - more that it does have a cost und only a fool pretend otherwise. We also have used bicycles ending up in landfill.. so this also not as "green" as some will have you believe :popcorn:

I fail to see how fining a bloke for having his wheely bin burping up a lid by two inches ist helping matters either. Perhaps it all that packaging of the meat in the supermarkets. These packs are quite big .. und I think it was a biggest :hissyfit: shame that the supermarkets ditched the meat counters in favour of this pre-packaged stuff. :banghead: Same with sandwiches. Back home .. we have lovely delicatessen which make up the most tempting sandwiches und takeways und serve in little bag with a serviette. You then place in the bin. I would try to use the one with the hidden Gatso :hehe: if und when I can gets away with it :lol: (which ist usually zero as these bins are sealed .. which also biggest gives-away :wink:) But the point ist that these sandwiches are not encased in a package which prove almost impossible to open :banghead:

Now that's where you tackle most of the problem ..you look at the daft way in which things are packaged .. und you encourage zero waste of food too.


....but it so easy to rake in cash under false pretences when a phoney get into power :banghead:

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My opinion, for what it is/is-not, worth, backed-up by decades of tax-paying, is that it matters not one bit who gets elected to what, or where.
The people who R E A L L Y run the country are un-elected and un-accountable, and mainly un-seen.
Large corporations wield a power that is disproportionate to their worth, mainly because they employ ex-public servants with "contacts", or donate LARGE amounts of money, via various routes, to politicians and their parties.
Local councils have a desperate need for money, much larger than you would consider. So, their ability to collect money for petty breaches of worthless regulation/s yields more than you would think. Since local councils/county councils are in the vanguard of worthless and excessive employment of people who do little and get paid lots, their ability to collect more, for less, is large.
In all these "enforcement" measures it seems that the magistrates courts are now little more than small-claims courts run for safety partnerships (of who the court is a part) and councils (same comment).
Isn't life fun: paying for worthless, needless and hapless people ?

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