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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 17:14 
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Andrew Flintoff cleared of speeding - thanks to Mr Loophole
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
Last Updated: 4:24PM BST 06/05/2008

Andrew Flintoff, the former England cricket captain, has become the latest celebrity to successfully defend an alleged motoring offence after employing the services of a lawyer known as Mr Loophole.

Flintoff, 30, was captured on camera allegedly speeding at 87mph in a 50mph zone, but his solicitor Nick Freeman argued that because his notice of prosecution had arrived late, the case should be discharged.

After conceding that the Crown had not followed correct procedures, the prosecution at Liverpool Magistrates’ Court told the Lancashire all-rounder that it would offer no evidence.

Mr Flintoff, a father of three, who lives in Altrincham, Cheshire, had been accused of speeding in a temporary 50mph zone of the M62 motorway near Huyton, Liverpool when he was driving a friend’s car on July 1, 2007.

He joins the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson, Wayne Rooney, David Beckham, Jeremy Clarkson, Colin Montgomerie and Ronnie O’Sullivan on a long list of sportsmen and celebrities who have successfully defended prosecutions for motoring offences thanks to Mr Freeman.

Mr Flintoff left court without commenting, but Mr Freeman said: “He is very relieved to have the matter disposed of. It happened last July and now he can concentrate on his cricket.”

But the hearing, which had been listed for trial, was dealt with quickly by Deputy District Judge Fiona Barrie, after Sharon Bourne, prosecuting, offered no evidence.

Mr Freeman said it was “fundamental” to any speeding case that the notice of prosecution was sent and received within 14 days of the offence, but the document only arrived on July 19.

“It happens a lot if people care to look at it,” he said, adding: “There were lots of other issues too but we don’t need to go into those.”

Mr Freeman, who is based in Manchester and is reported to earn fees of £10,000 a day, has trademarked the name “Mr Loophole” to stop other lawyers using the nickname.

In his most celebrated case, he successfully argued that Sir Alex Ferguson should not be prosecuted for driving up the hard shoulder of a motorway because the Manchester United manager was suffering from a stomach upset and was desperate to exit the motorway to find a toilet.

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“There were lots of other issues too but we don’t need to go into those.”


It would have been interesting to know what these "other issues" where.

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Maybe it was a REDSPEED camera - there is a whole book full of "other issues" there - it's called the Home Office Guide to Calibration Requirements!!
http://scienceandresearch.homeoffice.gov.uk/hosdb/publications/road-policing-publications/18-98-Guide-to-Calibratio1.pdf?view=Binary

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Motorway roadworks? Temporary speed limit signs without sang bags? Signs designed correctly? Placed correctly according to the TRO? TRO in place? TRO correct?

No, nothing could go wrong. ;)

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Maybe it was a REDSPEED camera - there is a whole book full of "other issues" there - it's called the Home Office Guide to Calibration Requirements!!
http://scienceandresearch.homeoffice.gov.uk/hosdb/publications/road-policing-publications/18-98-Guide-to-Calibratio1.pdf?view=Binary


Well obviously it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. From what I’ve seen and heard lately they take no notice of it anyway (especially CSP’s). And some even modify their own calibration certificates to fool everyone into believing they are all legal and above board.

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Sounds like he was caught at the roadworks around the Knowlsey/M57 junction - there is a camera under the bridge.


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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Maybe it was a REDSPEED camera - there is a whole book full of "other issues" there - it's called the Home Office Guide to Calibration Requirements!!
http://scienceandresearch.homeoffice.gov.uk/hosdb/publications/road-policing-publications/18-98-Guide-to-Calibratio1.pdf?view=Binary


Well obviously it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. From what I’ve seen and heard lately they take no notice of it anyway (especially CSP’s). And some even modify their own calibration certificates to fool everyone into believing they are all legal and above board.

...and don't forget the dodgy use of a quality logo!!

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What is it about these 'celebs' that they see it as good value to pay thousands to avoid facing up to relatively minor offences. I'm sure when celeb 'A' goes to Mr Loophole they have no idea if he can weave his magic and will be billed whether he can or not. Most of them are worth millions and could more than afford to be taxied round for a few weeks, indeed their employers would probably pick up the tab. I don't get it, in some cases its £60 and 3 points versus several grand. Is it simply egomania?

This isn't to say our authorities don't show an embarrassing inability to walk and talk at the same time. Mr Loophole has suggested that he'd be good value for money if they employed him to sort them out. And though there are many questions to be asked about the use of technology to catch the unwary most of his cases seem to revolve around paperwork cock-ups and rarely seem to feature an actual denial of the offence.

But when all said and done the rich have made Mr Loophole the highest paid solicitor in the land getting them off speeding tickets and the like. And that sits really uncomfortably with me.

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I too have mixed feelings but, after some thought, have come to the conclusion that although these people he defends are very often "guilty", Mr. Loophole's contribution to society in general is to keep the slipshod barstewards that bring these prosecutions on their toes! In an ideal world, we would like to be able trust the scamera partnerships / police / CPS to carry out their work with accuracy, thoroughness, diligence and integrity...

...but the very fact that he seems to make rather a good living out of what he does suggests that we perhaps don't live in such a world!

If he gets someone very rich off because the authorities have made some sort of technical / procedural mistake, then the up-side is that they might just clean their act up enough to maybe prevent the wrongful prosecution of someone NOT so rich who would otherwise have "gone down"!


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As usual there is a little more to it - the driver, Mr Flintoff was far enough over to be facing a ban
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speeding at 87mph in a 50mph zone
- so it is not just a £60 penalty at stake.

It's interesting to read police opinion on Mr Loophole - they too suggest that if the case doesn't stick, then it must be down to shoddy paperwork.
Most however do ask for more evidence before offering an opinion about the cases reported on their forums... must be something to do with the job! :)

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Okay so we're not talking a small fine in this instance. But even so what has he avoided - 6 month ban and £1500? Hardly a hardship given his situation. And one of the great things about being rich is that you don't have to pay for things. So to ensure he didn't miss a match or training I'm sure LCC and the ECB could arrange a car.

I wish I could be as positive as Mole in his hope that all these cock-ups will encourage the authorities to get their act together to everyones advantage but given the increasing numbers of FPN being spat out by the system I think only those who can afford to will get their paperwork scrutinised by a fully boned up brief. For us paupers it's tough - as usual.

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6 months of not being able to drive is something worth fighting against!
Presumably the police had to pay costs?

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I don't know why people think this type of thing is a "loophole". There is no loophole. The authorities did not carry out the procedures as required by law. It's their own fault and the lawyer just pointed this out.

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mpaton2004 wrote:
Sounds like he was caught at the roadworks around the Knowlsey/M57 junction - there is a camera under the bridge.


Be careful now, that speed camera has now been moved from by the bridge and is now situtated further along the knowsley expressway, just after the Huyton Ind Est slip road.

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I don't know why people think this type of thing is a "loophole". There is no loophole. The authorities did not carry out the procedures as required by law. It's their own fault and the lawyer just pointed this out.


I second this, the scammers want us to abide by arbitrary and pointless laws, but are unable to follow those same laws themselves.

Also Nick Freeman makes no attempt to hide the fact that he charges extortionate rates in return for a near 100% success rate. Unlike the scammers who charge extortionate fees for dubious and unsupported claims of improvements to safety. If I had the money I would much rather give it to Mr. Loophole than the scammers.


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mpaton2004 wrote:
Sounds like he was caught at the roadworks around the Knowlsey/M57 junction - there is a camera under the bridge.


Be careful now, that speed camera has now been moved from by the bridge and is now situtated further along the knowsley expressway, just after the Huyton Ind Est slip road.

http://www.huytontimes.co.uk



Roadworks scams tend to move as the "work claim to progress" :roll:

It difficult but I tend to assume 50 mph if no other indicated sign in roadworks. I have to say both RA und origin are spot on though :bow: if you update each week of course :popcorn: :wink: I gets me moneyworth :wink:

BUT ... Mr Loophole earn his loot all the same.. he fight the law with the law at all times. He know his stuff. All legal bods should though.. but he take the time to really do the research .. und this what cost the cash really - as well as paying for his legal beagle's nose to hunt out the flaws in prosecution's case. :wink: If more like him.. the cost would perhaps come down a bit :wink: Perhaps :scratchchin:

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I don't hold with this kind of thing.
It is basically admitting to the offence, but getting away with it on a technicality.
I feel that this just makes it harder to argue a genuine defence.
Also it reiterates the fact that if you're rich enough, the law need not apply, which just undermines public confidence in the law.


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But Haireyloon (und :welcome:)

Mr Loopyhole apply the law und if those applying this law do not do things according to the letter of this law - then things null und void. They will withdraw conditional offers in day late in receipt at their end. They will also cancel a Speed Aware course if the person turn up 10 minutes late because of delay in traffic too.

So if they can do this on their side .. then the accused can use the loophole which the lawyer expose here :wink: System work both ways und it why automation ist a right :nono: compared to a real :stop: :bib:

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Hairyloon wrote:
I don't hold with this kind of thing.
It is basically admitting to the offence, but getting away with it on a technicality.
I feel that this just makes it harder to argue a genuine defence.
Also it reiterates the fact that if you're rich enough, the law need not apply, which just undermines public confidence in the law.



If the so-called speed limit is not signposted properly, how is the driver supposed to know what it is ?
Where is the "technicality" there ?
Which defence are you going to argue ?
"my wife was having an epileptic fit and I wanted to get off the road that's why I exceeded the limit by 5mph"
Well, that defence didn't fly.....
Any everyone already knows that the law applies somewhat differently to the rich than to the poor, which is why the publics confidence in the APPLICATION of the law is low.
I would like to point out that if the police went and operated a trojan-horse[box] operation in a not-so-rich area of a town to photograph drug dealing, they would be lucky to have a horsebox to hide in very soon.

Anyway: http://200weeks.police999.com/

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If the so-called speed limit is not signposted properly, how is the driver supposed to know what it is ?
Where is the "technicality" there ?

My understanding was that he was let off because the NIP was late. And my thinking is that because they have to let off so many because of reasons like that, they are less inclined to listen to reasons like obscured signposts.

And Wildcat, what is most important, the letter of the law or the spirit of the law?
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