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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 03:27 
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Local paper wrote:
Police in bike race quarrel
By Andy Whelan

A police sergeant on a 60-mile bike race has blasted bungling police community support officers (PCSOs) who pulled him over just seven miles from the finish line claiming his cycling was dangerous.

Several cyclists then ploughed into the back of the officers' jeep after it interrupted the race with its blue lights flashing.
When furious Sergeant James Makepeace told the PCSOs that those in his Sussex force have no power to stop a race they replied: "Well this is Surrey, mate."

Sgt Makepeace was among six sprint specialists who were stopped as they sped through the village of Leigh, near Reigate.
He said the PCSOs had no authority to use their blue lights as they halted the Addiscombe Cycling Club riders.
Sgt Makepeace fumed: "They were not driving a response vehicle and as civilian officers they had no right to use their blue lights to stop a race.

"I have community officers under my watch and if I knew any of them had used their authority to do something like this I would be extremely unhappy.
A PCSO is not a warranted police officer.
They don't have the authority to stop a race and I told the PCSO I was a police sergeant in Sussex who supervises PCSOs.
But he was on the wrong side of the road and vehicles had to stop for him.
I heard a repeated beeping on a horn and looked back to see this silver jeep thing with the lettering 'Community Support Officers' on the side.
I heard shouting and I thought what's he doing - the race was going downhill at 30mph.
It was wet and dangerous. I saw riders run into the back of his vehicle. It was lucky no one was hurt."

The riders were among 40 flagged down by the PCSOs who raised health and safety fears, despite the course being clearly marked and with marshals on every corner.

Race organiser Paul Tunnell added: "Outside forces beyond our control spoiled our race and let down 40 cyclists including our group of six.
It was very disappointing. We'd spent the best part of a year organising the race.
It was going very smoothly up to that point."

The Henfold circuit race, which cost each competitor £12 to enter, was interrupted as 34 riders were disqualified.
As well as losing their entry fee, the members also lost the right to finish the Surrey Road Racing League event around the Henfold lakes.

Surrey Police admitted the PCSOs should not have used their blue flashing lights during the race on March 29.

However, Inspector John Tadman defended the PCSOs. He said: "It was the only course of action available to them in order to protect everyone's safety."


The comments below the main story are very revealing too! :stirthepot:
This story does however reveal a little about PCSO's - our local PCSO in Windermere is great, and could not be more helpful, and useful in the community. Clearly this is not always the case!
From all accounts, these PCSO's appear to have precipitated an incident which was clearly dangerous to those concerned, yet their actions are being defended by an inspector who I would have expected to know better. He is bringing his own judgement into question by doing so!

The Cycling Weekly report on the same incident is here.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 18:38 
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Isn't "racing on the highway" an offence?

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Isn't "racing on the highway" an offence?



I think if it an event .. with the right paperwork - it becomes a sporting event. If the cyclists were racing around without the proper marshalls etc .. then this would be an offence. IG., of course, is the bloke who knows about this :wink:

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it seems the race was being stopped by the organisers due to wet conditions & side winds.... PCSOs were just 'helping'.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Com ... 26238.html


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it seems the race was being stopped by the organisers due to wet conditions & side winds.... PCSOs were just 'helping'.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Com ... 26238.html


That link is at the end of my post! It's not very clear that it's a link!

There seems more to it than the organisers wishing to stop the race...
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a local resident had voiced concern about the safety of the event and asked the police to take a look.

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...they suggested to the commissaire that he stop the race.

How was the "suggestion" worded?

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Commissaire Keith Brooks, who had become concerned with the standard of riding in windy and wet conditions, agreed the race should be stopped. It was the manner in which it was stopped which caused concern. As Brooks waited his chance to get through the pack, the CSO's put their blue flashing light on and drove past the bunch.


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"The issue for me was how they stopped the race," said Makepeace. "That's the commissaire's job. His decision.

"A police CSO is not a warranted police officer. They don't have the authority to put the blue light on when moving. They don't have the authority to stop a race," said Makepeace

I bow to his superior knowledge.
He has been accused in the comments of being anti PCSO - but he doesnt come across that way to me - he is simply critical for their bungling attempt to intervene!

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"Ahead was a right-hand bend and a T-junction where the race would go left. He pulled sharply into the junction, and stopped across both sides of the road. It was wet and dangerous. I saw riders run into the back of his vehicle. But no one was hurt.

"I told the CSO I was a police sergeant in Sussex who supervises CSOs! And he said to me, 'well this is Surrey, mate'. I told him that what he had done was more dangerous than the race!


Clearly the PCSO's concerned were not aware they had done anything wrong!

It strikes me that they may well have attended the same charm school as Steve Callaghan - they seem to have the same arrogant unswerving opinion that they are right!

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ah yes interesting the quote about the commissaire waiting to get throguh the pack..... after which presumably there is a procedure for red flagging (in effect) the race safely.

either the pcso's misunderstood or decided to take things into their own hands.


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CW has been on a "campaign mission" over the past few weeks - fearing fro the future of established road race events and sportives - given the "punitive costs of policing".


We do.. errr .. um .. :x :oops: :oops: :oops: .. ho ... hum.. :bunker: .. errrrrrr!

OK -

More Serious mode now..

We do charge the organisers for services rendered - usually at cost price and with the tax payer meeting a share of this cost too. It would be unfair to expect the community to foot an entire cost after all. We do receive income for services rendered at football/rugby/cricket and other sports matches - not the whole cost .. but the clubs/organisers do contribute towards this cost . In the latter case.. it comes out of the sponsorship income... which is what this income is supposed to help cover in any case :wink:


Yes.... we do send out PCSOs .. but in Durham .. we either pair with a regular or a "special"


Advertising MODE ON...
(and "Specials do a sterling job. :bow: If you intend to become a policeman or always "had a dream/ No calling vocation to be a police officer - then applying to be a "special" might just be right for you! We Need YOU SPECIALS :bow: Trained up to same standards as regulars for most routine jobs.. and a serious help.. Many apply to be regulars as they find it really is their calling in life too :wink;)

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But my advert aside .. we should be using the resource of "Plastics" appropriately.. with value to and for them and the public we are supposed to be "serving and protecting" :wink:

We thus try to pair them with either a regular or a special as much as possible .. especially on such duties as "providing a police marshalling and protection at a public "pleasant do" :wink:

If these officers made the decision per all the reports (and there's enough evidence to suggest these reports are accurate :roll: :bunker:) ... then I would say they acted beyond their "instruction" and should really have consulted with their immediate superiors and the race marshalls to establish the correct call. It may well be that the race would have been halted and then re-started within the rules and laid down rubrics. We have stopped events in the past on grounds of safety after all for a half hour or more - depedent on the problem. :bunker:

Maybe the PCSOs made a correct call ... but their problem does lie in their "authority" and unless a senior officer . usually CC down to Chief Super in "pp" under his own remit for/on behalf of his superiors" can authorise their authority to act on responsible and common sense judgement of situation within certain common sense boundaries.

I would hope for the sake of the "plastics concerned" that this was the case./.. that they had been awarded this particular power. It is up to the CC and his "steering committee of seniors" to make such decisions and we always hope we simply get it right :bunker;

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