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Yes, they're back, last used in the early '90s and deleted due to severe unrest amongst the middle class voters, labour have returned to that system for additional revenue raising.

I believe (from a friend who is a mag.) that this is to be rolled out from 4th August (England and Wales I guess).

80 in a 60? That'll be £2000 please......They can even take into account joint income and savings.

Oh yes, and the protocol applies to non-motoring offences too, but the decsison process is now heavilly aimed at fine rather than community order or jail. Wallop! more ££££ for the idiots in power, and fewer sanctions against REAL crime.

I believe a scaled FPN system is also to be added from £60 to £250. At least the FPN is not means tested, just those foolish enough to go to court to challenge them or higher speeds will be sucked up into the cash generation system.....

Hey ho...

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I think the main objection was not that the middle class get hammered but that scumbags get off scott free. Unemployed layabout when you went at 100mph in a 30mph limit? That's 5p a week fine.

This has come up from time-to-time and AFAIK is still operating in some courts. There has been a lot of discussion on here before about this with the general outcome that the punishment should fit the crime not the offender.

On the point of Labour bringing it back, well, I said on another thread that they know they are going to lose the next election anyway so they might as well soak the public to cover their pensions.

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Malcolm W.
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On same theme - lets look at the solid Labia seats - they'd as soon vote Tory as go down the Jobcentre and take any job - seen that happen at the local elections - two council solid Labour seats (in council estates) went to BNP.Like the look of their agenda -put Brits first (but Adolf promised something similar -and look what happened )

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Just to emphasise on this, it IS a new policy, the mags in Northumberland were being briefed and handed new scentencing guidelines this week. My friend said there was general un-rest amongst his colleagues and even the court clerk chap who was delivering the presentation sounded somewhat cynical.

The issue to me is that its a sliding scale with a £15000 cap, so middle income will enjoy a hefty increase relative to salary, low income or benefit takers, business as usual, but the mega rich will NOT have to pay like £125,000 (as they do in Finland). The cashcows get drained again, ie the middle class. Same as VED, same as no-tax credits, same as no help with higher education for kids etc, etc.

There are enough of us to make a difference to the income, and no risk of pi**ing off labours rich friends or low income friends.

I asked if jail scentences also increased with wealth.........?????????/ (They don't)

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Somewhat changes the meaning of "paying your debt to society" doesn't it. It will be cheaper to opt to go in clink.

Wait until the Daily Mail gets on this. I'm surprised that this hasn't got more publicity. Is Fisherman listening?


I can't believe this. An innocent third party's money being taken into account in a criminal matter?

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Malcolm W.
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Why should fines be means-tested when road taxes aren't?

A fine is a punishment, road taxes pay a contribution towards the costs of motoring, the remaining costs subsidised from other taxes for the good of the economy.

I've always believed that means testing was a good thing. But at the end of the day, it will still be the three points that hits everyone. I reckon I'd just get a £10 fine, if that, given I'm only working full time for this summer and otherwise work one day a week.

Most fines are means tested, they have been for years, and years, and years.
If you cannot afford to pay the 300 quid (because you do not earn that much and have no funds) they'll allow you time to pay.
At the few times I have been "done" I have had to supply earnings etc to the court before the penalty is given.
Your fine will not be much lower because you earn less, it will be paid over a longer time interval.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing