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I'm going to stop watching GP racing if the organizers stoop this low to keep the title race alive to the last few races. McLaren in front - lets find something to penalise them. Ferrari, of course, can practically cause a crash in the pits and get away with it.

Watch the video. Hamilton did not gain any advantage from cutting the chicane. He let Raikkonen through and went across behind him before overtaking.

Rubbish.

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Malcolm W.
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I think theyre saying that although hamilton allowed him back in front (i havnt see the incident) that the position it put him in afterwards is what gave the advantage and that it wouldnt have existed if the incident hadnt happened because he'd have been further away.
Ergo hamilton overtook at the hairpin because of the advantage gained...or i could be talking rubbish..

Raikkonen made a right balls up mind you...jeez what was going on in his head?

To be honest theres some really iffy decisions being made all the same.

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Ferrari International Assistance strikes again! How can it have been a competitive advantage when Raikkonen failed to finish?

Compare this with the trivial (in F1 terms) penalty that Ferrari got for releasing their car into the path of the Force India a couple of weeks ago.

Formula 1 fans have learned to live with a governing body that pats ferrari on the head and tells them to run along and play nice when they break the rules, then throws the book at mclaren/renault/whoever is fighting ferrari for the most menial of infringments. But, despite that, this is a new low, it's an absolute disgrace, makes a complete mockery of the sport and I'm still reeling from it. Evan many ferrari fans- who usually argue blind about anything through scarlet-tinted spectacles- are quite vocally disgusted.

I've watched F1 since I was about 12- thats 18 years- only missed a few races (in the predictable schu-ferrari dominace years)- but I may not evan bother watching next weeks GP at monza, may go to work instead.

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Apparently, Ron Dennis asked Charlie Whiting (the race director) if Hamilton letting Raikkonen past was OK and got an affirmative answer.

How can a driver, in the heat of the moment, judge "sporting advantage"? At least "let him back in front" is easy to understand.

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Malcolm W.
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Semitone, you hit the nail on the head, only it's: Ferrari international rescue maybe? The FIA clearly didn't want Lewis to win last year and I think that they're up to their twisted tricks again this year. The FIA, Bernie Ecclestone et al should be careful here. F1 fans are NOT football fans who will moan but continue to attend....
Any more of todays disgraceful decission and I'm off to watch something else. and in case they're thinking of going "pay per view".......forget it, 'cos I will.

An absolutely disgraceful day for F1 ........The sport and the FIA has today been shown up to be a totally corrupt organisation IMO.

What a waste of time, sitting through the whole race, enjoying the last few laps, celebrating Hamiltons win only to find out he didnt win after all.

Perhaps there should be a delay of a couple of days after the race has finished before it is televised so that the results can be massaged before the fans have seen them, the drivers can then be invited back to spray the champers and receive the trophies.

Better still, dont bother showing the races, whats the point? I for one will not be bothering to watch the rest of the season, if I want to watch a soap opera ther's always Eastenders.

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"ferrari international assistance" displayed as the FIA logo was what was on all the renault pit wall computers in '06, after fia banned the mass damper, as was (presumably accidentally) picked up by the fia's own cameras for world live TV feed.

It's about time that breakaway series went ahead. How I'd love to see bernie, the fia and ferrari left to run their sad little championship by themselves. well, ferrari & the fia would probably be quite happy with it, but bernie would lose big $$$/

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The Ferrari apologists on the web seem to think that in the act of letting Raikkonen through, Hamilton somehow put himself in an advantageous position on the track.

So, let me get this right. You back off to let your opponent by, move across the track behind him thus changing your track position and this gives you an advantage?

What's the driver supposed to do? Think "Oh, I'd better drop back another 6 ft as I have gained an advantage"?

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Malcolm W.
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The claim is that, evan after letting him pass, he ended up closer to kimi than if he'd followed him through the bend under normal racing conditions, and this set him up for the pass. It's an exceptionally anal interpretation, given that both drivers were struggling to control cars on unsuitable tyres. (If the fia go bust I guess they can all get jobs in data management for scp's.)

I'm still reeling form it all though. you mention the pig-headed ferrari fanboys POV- they get everywhere- but a significant number of ferrari fans are disgusted, and that don't happen often. I'm thinking there could be a big backlash on this... because, after all the "tedium" F1 is so often labeled with, we witnessed one of the most exciting laps of the entire year, two of the sports heavyweights going at it hammer & tongs in a death-or-glory duel, something the sport desperately needs more of, yet instead of championing and cherishing the spectacle, holding it up and throwing it back at the critics, the administrative body have taken a big smelly dump all over it.


BTW, the 25 secs added "represents" a drive-through penalty. This is very significant- A drive-through penalty is final and cannot be appealed.

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The trouble with taking sides is would Mclaren fans have been so vocal of a penalty of the same type if Raikkonen had been the victor?
I doubt it.
Im not a ferarri supporter nor a mclaren fan so i have no axe to grind regarding either team.

The FIA is just too big for its breeches and an alternative series would i reckon work wonders without their influences.

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I'm not on the side of Mclaren or Ferrari. Just the side of fairness. If Raikkonen had been in the same position, I would consider it unfair to him too.

Anyway, has it been decided yet if an appeal is possible? People are saying that, as the penalty is equivalent to a drive through, then there is no appeal.

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Malcolm W.
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Yeah i think i heard that too that there is no appeal to a drive thru....

Cant help thinking the sooner they ditch the FIA the better.

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IMO Raikkonen when the rain came down simply couldn't hack it, and Lewis could....the lap times show that.

The most exciting finale to a race in oh! 15 years or so has been ruined by the FIA....

More fools them, and they are the only ones who can't, it seems, see what they have done...............

They have brought F1 into batant total disrepute for ever more unless they reverse their descision.

FIA, FIFA, IOC........all Bent and twisted self serving, Global Mafia run organisations there for the rape of National coffers and the fans for the benefit of their own wallets!

Maybe you can tell that I'm "not pleased" can't you?.....

I've finished with F1.

The stench of Hypocrisy and corruption has got too great.
IMHO The entire governing body needs completely replacing... Or an alternative series starting.. Race 1 series ?
Either way.. A BIG win for the fans.

I do hope Lewis and McLaren win the Drivers and constructors championship this year to "shove it to them" and then announce they are leaving F1 to compete in an alternative Series.

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I see that Mclaren have released their new modification for Singapore, apparently it's been banned by the FIA so expect to see Ferrari using it! Not sure what the warning's for, there's nothing rude in it,

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=654_1221469159

http://www.sniffpetrol.com/ have similar views - very good .

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Oh Dear!.... Singapore!

Now I know the rules ....and I understand the reasons.....but WHY are 2 drivers who through NO fault of their own, who HAD to to pit for fuel just at the time of someone else's an accident were penalised by a 10 second stop-go thru' the pits (costing around 30 secs) when another driver and team who using a suspect traffic light pitting system f..ked it up (for the 2nd time nearly collecting another car in the pit lane) pulling a flailing 30ft fuel hose down past working pit crews) and lucky not to have killed someone only got a clear "drive thru'!" penalty.............costing less than 20 secs!

Ah! ..........."It's Ferrari!"...............(you remember the old song don't you?) it's Amore'

F. I. A........

The Singapore race was a poor competition on a poor circuit and the only reason that the "drama" played out was due to the accidents/incidents. If these had not have happened it would have been a procession.

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Malcolm W.
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note how when ferrari leads the race with everything to lose- valencia- and carves someone up in the pitlane it's a 50p fine, but when the race is ruined anyway it's the more standard drive-thru.

You didn't mention spraying a pit lane crowded with personnel and boiling hot engines with petrol through use of said known dodgy system! But it's okay when you're ferrari! no penalty necessary!

and malc, you're right, everyone crowing about an exciting race but without piquets accident* it'd have been pretty dull.

*which benefitted alonso's unusual strategy so well many are questioning just how accidental it really was, lol.

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