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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Fascinating reading Jomukuk thanks.

I say again, unless or until these things start to affect you personally it’s just regarded as mass hysteria or individual paranoia.

But even then, in the Brits own inimitable way, we mumble amongst ourselves about how wrong everything is instead of taking arms against a sea of troubles like our French neighbours do.

Just like a cancer, these things don’t happen overnight but instead creep through the back door like a thief in the night. It’s obvious to us more seasoned subjects of HM the Queen but I’m quite sure the younger generation haven’t the faintest idea that our rights are being eroded or indeed that there is any iniquity or infringement of personal rights.

I have lost count of the number of friends and work colleagues who have gone abroad because they view this country as a sinking ship and what used to be known as the British sense of fair play, and justice, and innocent until proven guilty has all but gone.

More on topic; I’m actually quite reluctant to give my old paper licence back, as I must, to have my new address updated - favouring instead to say it’s lost and just see what I receive back in the post and what categories have been mysteriously eroded.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Should be driving related all the same. There are other sanctions for other offences. Community service/ attachments of earnings to collect the fines.. prison terms come to mind here.



Well - it does take two to make "whoopy". I should know ... I am about to be a father of seven sired by me. TWINS. My GOD! And my wife (the wild ) keeps talking to her sister (vet and not very tame ) about some gelding tackle :ARGGGGHHHH!).


So..


There are other means of removing "equipment" to make babies without removing a person's mobility and lessen his or even HER chances of contributing to bringing up children. I know a woman ambulance driver who has to pay CSA to her ex-husband who got the custody of the children. He gave up his job - claimed social benefits. Social chased her as a result.

I have to admit though that in my own personal opinion (and the mother herself agrees this) the father is still the better parent.

But in too many cases they chase after the person already paying per a previous court order.

I also have say that some young girls very sadly see motherhood as "benefit income" - many falling into the same vicious circle as their mothers and grandmothers before them. I honestly do not know how we as a society can prevent this given the benefit culture which has grown over many years now.

CSA chase the man which these girls think "may be the father" in some cases. One chased a former child we fostered. A DNA test proved he could not have sired that child. I also knew his medical history. He may be young - but he needs viagra. (No.. not Wayne .. another boy. We've fostered quite a few kids over the years.

Point of my post Lucy? If we are going to remove a person's driving licence and employment prospects (as long hours cultures also make many car dependent ) - then we would have to be pretty sure that the person was a recidivist defaulter who changes menial minimum waged hourly paid jobs to escape paying up - and there are still other means at disposal.

What if the person never had a driving licence but cycles. What do you do then - deprive him of his bicycle? No. You use another tactic .. and in a fair and just society - the sanctions must be standard and uniform .. and perceived as such so that the defaulters know exactly what they face if they do renege on their paternal or even maternal duties of provisional cares.

Of course - easy for me to provide. Only ever loved one woman. I dated - of course - but could still have qualified for the priesthood on my wedding day all the same

ANd Tone.. know what you mean about the original paper licence. I cried when I replaced with the modern effort .. because if made life easier to hire a car abroad if we had to.. and we did in the USA. But my licence was a virginal as issued and still is

I am a good boy really.


By the way .. I should rephrase the "priesthood comment" - I know how a flippant aside by IG saw us being discussed by spinny's sock puppets as "scientologists" Just remarking on our CATHOLIC upbringing and alluding to my very old fashioned values by likening it to the virginal priesthood requirement can make some fools start typing libel on a certain cycling site. I will pre-empt the lurking fool anyway and inform him that no one actually listens to him anymore.

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Disqualification is a court order, only imposed after a guilty plea or trial. In either case you will have the opportunity to put your side of the story and explain any hardship a ban will cause to you and others. A disqualification is announced as "You are disqualified from holding or obtaining a licence to drive in the UK". That covers foreign licences as well as UK ones. If subject to a ban you risk custody if caught driving and will have an automatic no insurance charge as well. Even if you have paid for insurance.

My understanding of the other two is that they are actions taken outside of court with no chance for you to offer mitigation.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

Which is why courts look at all that sort of stuff, unless its an offence with a mandatory disqualification like drink driving.




I would hope that even the DVLA or CSA won't try to revoke a non existent licence. If an offence carries a mandatory disqualification Courts are obliged to disqualify everybody found guilty of the offence, whether they have a licence or not. Sounds silly, disqualifying somebody who doesn't have a licence, but if they are caught driving again they can then be jailed for breaching a court imposed disqualification. Driving without a licence doesn't carry jail (unless disqualified ).

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

S 146 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000 gives a court the power to disqualify from driving for ANY offence. The Magistrates Association and The Justices Clerks Society issued joint guidance that the power should only be used where the offending involved a motor vehicle and the Home Office, as it was then, didn't disagree.

It is a powerful weapon against kerb crawlers. We used to see a number of sales reps and others who work well away from home, appear in court for this offence. It carries a small fine and the potential to be named in the local paper. Neither of which worries well paid people who work hundreds of miles from home. We started imposing 7 day disqualifications, which the police publicised with posters in the areas where kerb crawling was a problem. That stopped the problem very quickly. Presumably because they didn't want to have to explain to their wives or employers why they couldn't drive for a week. Or for them to see the words disqualified for kerb crawling on their driving licence.

We also use the power occasionally for people who dump cars in the countryside rather than pay for a scrapyard to take, although that crime has just about disappeared since the price of scrap went up.

I have no problem with reasoned use of this power in the manner I have described. To use it for non motoring offences seems indefensible. Allowing clerks at the CSA to do it is just another step towards doing away with magistrates courts altogether. And with the courts will go ideas such as having to prove an offence was committed, allowing a defendant to present a defence and the whole idea of the interests of justice.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

I read the article on the BBC website today. It said:

Now, I'm sure we've thrown our remotes at the TV while watching reports about those who find life easier on benefits than actually working for a living (not that I can blame them). So what happens to those currently struggling to maintain full payments who then have their licence removed? Will they start spending even more money (and time) on public transport and struggle harder to make ends meet whilst still paying their other taxes, or will they give up and claim benefits, not meet their maintainance responsibilities as well as not pay various taxes?

In principle it is fair to force wilfully absent parents to meet their responsibilities, but I’m far from convinced this method will achieve this whilst benefiting the ordinary taxpayer.

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Really ?
Life on benefits ?
I'm sure there must be one somewhere......
Incapacity/Sickness benefit was replaced last year with "Employment and Support Allowance"
The form is 52 pages long.
Incapacity Benefit is 70 quid a week.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Basically they want the UK to go back to the days just after WW11 when, both parents had to work for a pittance, queue up for food, lucky if you could afford a car and go on holiday. They are trying to set us back 60 years.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Yet some manage to rake in much more without any problems.

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I'm quite sure than some are, as I'm equally sure that there are many deserving of benefits who get nothing.
But the system is not targeting the "scroungers", it is denying benefits to those who need them and ignoring those who could work but won't.
But those honestly claiming benefits do not get thousands a month.
I can see the states problem though, they cannot afford to pay money to scroungers.
They already have a few million scroungers to pay for anyway, along with their pensions. They call them "public servants"
I'll say it again, the figures just roll-along (probably because of all the "0"'s...........)
Pension black hole................ one trillion pounds (that's 1,000,000,000,000)
Annual pension pay-out 168 billion (that's 168,000,000,000)
And growing all the time....another few thousand this year so far !!!
Until the public service "black hole" is "blocked", the country will continue it's remorseless descent into poverty.
I hate to say this, but we need "maggie" back....the cons reduced public service staffing by nearly 500,000 (that's five hundred thousand, a half million) in 10 years.
And I don't mean reducing nurses, police etc.........

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Hallo

Firstly .. Mad Doc should have issued biggest to you as should IG.

I do so for all three of us with much to you.

We missed you this last year when you busy elsewhere. It so good to see you back und "on song"







Look .. no person who bring a child into the world should renege on responsibility.

We foster though. We foster kids from all walk of life .. from the child who care for the invalid parent und to whom we give the respite.. the help .. a source of help for always. .. to the child released from an young offenders' institution who has nowhere else to go und no one else to turn to for help... as the parent may well also be a "jail bird or old lag" or whatever the right term may be

But all parents make mistakes .. bad judgements.

We HAVE made them ourselves. Chastised the child without hearing their defence/excuse.. first. Assumed they are OK when they have actually eaten something that disagreed with them... putting it down to "wind.. eating too fast".. then realising we mis-read the symptoms Or with a fostered child .. assumed their answering back.. refusal of our discipline .. was their awkwardness.. when it a much deeper issue underpinned the fit of pique,

But .. we sit down und talk. Work out what cause the problem. We try to resolve - und it make a real difference to these children to realise that by our own eating of humble pie at times . that this can be reality of life und there nothing wrong in this.

An absent parent . could be absent for umpteen reasons.


I do know there exist the "casanova" who has not learned how to control his "willy" und I know there are girls who also prey on such types for "benefit they believe to be their right"

I am a realist . These types exist. I would love to know how to educate out of this spiral which spawn the Karen Matthews types of this world. I still optimistically opt for education.. a return to courtship.. wooing of a lady.. appreciation of life's morals. But I fear I "run around the moon" on this one - per a farce by Jean Anouilh (who like Exupery was a keen aviator und MOTORIST )

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Let me postulate a situation that I have come across twice in the last few years. A man who, despite a unhappy marriage is quite prepared to maintain a home for his wife and children, But that wife prefers to take the children away to live with her wealthy lover. Should that unhappy man, denied access to his children, still be expected to beggar himself to provide for them?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
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I accept that it part/parcel of the "easy achievement of target met" .. not justice.


If child accepted by step-parent.. then child provided for.

it part of why I am AGAINST taking a driving licence or passport for being unable to pay.

Look.. plenty of family work as accountants.

They know many of such easy targets will give up half of minimum wage here .. even if remarried with new commitment. This type are the ones who will change jobs to secure finance for family after bitter divorce,. They are not the "love 'em /leave 'em" type. I will also concede as per my full post that some girls see babies as a means to an end .. in terms of housing, .. life on benefits. These girls will name anyone they slept with to preserve their benefits.

I am aware of a woman who refused a pay rise as this would mean a cut in tax credit.

I agree . these types undermine women

Und men too.

In fact . the chav bint mock decent human endeavours towards decency.

They are an affront to all women seeking equality of merit have achieved to date.

I do not at all respect such types. I am an independent woman.. not Mad Doc's chattel und he know this Bless the man.

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Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!