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I was out in Newport (IOW) today (about 1 hour before posting this). A Hampshire safety camera operator (looks like a police officer) is hiding behind a bush next to St Mary's Hospital, using a tripod mounted camera. He seems to be zapping cars in both directions as he is swinging the thing left and right.



Here is the view as you approach from behind:


(Notice you can just about make out his yellow jacket through the bush if you look very closely. Maybe this is the 'high visibility' element they claim is always there?)

Here's the view from over the road as you come round to the other side of the bush:



And here he is letting some local residents have a play with the carefully calibrated equipment:


And here's a short video clip of him targeting every single vehicle, with no prior opinion of speed (shame I couldn't store more video).

I will be writing to the local paper this week, can anyone suggest any other action to take?

Was he definately targetting receding traffic (from the rear?). As far as I know Hampshire nearly always targets approaching only because they can video the identity of the driver, and obviously they would be spotted by drivers before they can target them.

It is possible that the bike as being used outside of partnership control but I don't think this is allowable in the netting-off system, and as far as I know the police don't own a bike with an LTI 20/20 video system, the partnership did purchase one last year though.

Gareth

It looked like he was targetting both, as during gaps in the oncoming traffic he was still looking down the sights at the receedinf traffic.

Its not a scmera pratnership bike its a police vehicle. I have seen it in various places.

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The Hampshire vehicles are in police livery, it would be very difficult to tell them apart. Hampshire also don't use video enforcement outside the partnership, the only non-partnership enforcement involves officers physically stopping the motorist. This is pretty much the same nationwide.

The minutes here mention the partnership's bike:

http://www.safetycamera.org.uk/pd/Minut ... ebsite.pdf

"The new camera bike has now been delivered; this is a Honda Pan European ST11, kitted out with the standard Teletraffic lastec technology. The launch of this will take place in IOW, exact details yet to be finalised."

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Did you ask him what he was doing? Perhaps he was doing a survey to work out the average speed of the road? Perhaps not of course...

Hampshire scameraship in action

http://www.ash-ridley.net/offence2-mod.jpg

I know this is genuine because it is me

These pictures may come in handy in my ongoing campaign against the HSCP with the DfT and I encourage you to independantly report this conduct to the DfT (I have all the contact details you will need) to have them removed from the netting off scheme

OU812, have you ever contacted any of the 3 Councils that have representatives on the scameraship steering committee?

I have contacted 1 and about to contact a 2nd.

It looks like the Coucils are represented by officers and not councillors on the committee. and there is little reporting/control exercised by the councillors.

Cheers OU. Could you PM me the contact details?

Done

Let me know how you get on

I have found out something else relevant to this:

The road they are zapping is dualled, so they shouldn't be targetting the front of oncoming vehicles anyway as surely mobile cameras aren't meant to be used across to the other side of a dual carriageway?

I am just hoping his center stand dug into the ground and he couldn't get that behemoth out from there

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Hi,

did anything come of this contact ? perhaps a short sharp intrument where the sun doesnt shine may assist.


Holding them personally responsible if they fail to do anything about this person who is clearly breaking the rules. How responsible ?? welll... in theory if they knowingly allow this to continue , and one day when the pigs are flying , the dft demand the money back because they broke the rules, then the councellors are personally liable if they have been told. The money which is being repaid has to come from the council tax..

only claim to fame was to use this tactic to remove an offending speed cam on the a14

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bill

Well done for exposing them as liars - HSCP trying to slow people down - my ar*se!

Incidently, what is the speed limit on the above stretch of road? I see street lights and a distinct lack of repeaters; please tell me its not a 30, it just can't be!

In court on april 4th pc Lockier of Hampshire proudly stated that he had detected cars in both directions on a duel carriageway 6-10 times a month for 2.5 years.

PC lockier stated about 20-30 times that acpo was only a guideline. My copy says on the front CODE OF PRACTICE. there fore I am happy to call him a liar.

The defendant was found guilty of 7.. yes 7mph over the 40 limit £150 + costs bringing it to £514

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Well we're talking down south here, so no doubt it probably is.

From what I've seen it seems that all across the south of the country is generally bad when it comes to speed limit reductions. Speed limits just don't seem to mean much anymore

They won't be happy until they have the man in front with the red flag again. Driving is so bloody frustrating here!

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It's a 40.

Incidentally, I have never seen them enforcing at this location since. Maybe someone had a quiet word with them?

OK well it could be worse I suppose.

And to be honest if it's a police office then I would still trust them to use sensible discretion (e.g not fining a BMW 5 series driver doing 46mph) even if they are hiding out.