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There are a myriad number of differences, ranging from subtle to gross, in regards to fault, blame, repsonsibility, etc, when cross referenced against moral, ethical, and legal indices.

Certain Amerikan states possess road safety policies which include overly simplistic tripe such as "The driver behind is always at fault" which catalyze, if not directly cause, an insurance fraud industry of rear shunts and frivolous lawsuits stemming from them.

Often, policies are at fault. When that is the case, history generally shows that the policy makers will obfuscate and filibuster for as long as possible, in order to save face and maximize profit.

When David Dinkins was mayor of New York City, he reduced the light output of all streetlamps. Assaults, robberies/muggings, rapes, murders, and hit-and-runs all went up significantly.
You can say that dimmer streetlamps didn't cause the crime rate to go up, and you'd technically be right, but before you improve funding for housing and education, put more cops on the beat, and create more jobs, brighten the damn lights already! (The lapel buttons which read "Don't dis your sis" were ineffective, by the way.)

Ridiculously low speed limits don't cause accidents, and neither do speed cameras. In tandem, however, they tend to increase the likelihood of accidents, simply because they add another concern for the motorist that wasn't there previously.

The careful and considered actions of a reasonable and prudent majority should be considered legal.

Policies and policy changes can create a climate which encourage 'misbehaviors' ; they can also redefine perfectly normal behaviors as 'misbehaviors' in the process. In either case, any abberant or undesired behavior catalyzed by policy [changes] is prima facie evidence of an abberant or undesirable policy.

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

Steve, here's that report from wrekin council regarding their plans to "encourage public transport, while discouraging car usage". They've certainly discouraged car usage with more traffic lights and by preventing cars using "straight roads" in places but the only benefit that I can see for public transport users is that they can go down the routes which are no longer car accessible.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Absolutely, and God bless us all.


Encouraging drivers to reduce their speed, in order to reduce accidents, would have far more reaching benefits than trying to adopt a quick fix........a petition to remove a Speed Camera.


"No-one can be faulted for ignoring a rule, or the application of" !!!
Steve, I completely disagree; alas we have completely different mind sets.


Footnote:

Up to, and prior to, mid 2005 I was off the road for 10years due to failing health.
However, by 2005 I was well enough to go out, buy a new car, and renew the joy
of driving.

Out on the road again I was amazed at the deterioration of driving standards.
Among many, many actions immediately noticeable was the aggressive driving adopted by drivers,
and the shocking consequences speed and aggressive driving leaves in its trail.
I would hazard a guess that 75% of drivers fall into that category.

No doubt you will have noticed the overall deterioration of driving standards yourselves.
Thing is though, it's been a slow build up deterioration of driving standards for you guys to notice
over those ten years.
For me, driving again after a ten year gap was a culture shock, and a sad one at that.

Aggressiveness, Speeding, Death; So needless. So preventable. So avoidable. So sad.

"Safe Speed"

Skyliner

Would it really? Was the speed reduction (or the duration of it) even necessary? Did it actually induce (yet more) driver fatigue?


I’m curious as to why you disagree, can you explain why?


Many of us have noticed that too. There have been many good changes and campaigns in that time, so what happened to make it all so much worse? Unnecessarily low limits leads to frustration, as well as longer and stronger bouts of it; frustration leads to aggression – is it so difficult to piece together?

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign

is there a slight exaggeration again



can a typical gatso cartridge hold enough film for a 1000 flashes per day

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now retired

The number of flashes are irrelevant, but I think you're right about the number caught.
£1million / £60 / 365 = 46 which is close to 50, so someone may have added 'a nothing'.

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800 shots, two used per activation, right?

If it was getting 500 hits a day I'm sure they could afford to change it twice a day!
However thinking about it that would mean it would be activating on average once every 2.88 minutes, probably considerably more often at 'rush hour'... 50 per day means it would have to be changed every 8 days max, which would fit quite nicely with changing it every week. Not that I know how long it takes to process the film, even using the automated justice backend systems.
I'll go with 50 per day too.

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Andrew.