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Well quite appart from the other critiisisms. (UK Taxpayers subsidizing forign manufacturers etc)

Consider this.

It is no diferent to being given a big trade in on an old car.

The deal is only going to apply if the recipiant puts it towards a new one.

Now, I ask myself, thinkng about the sort of people who chose to drive around in 10Yr plus old cars (Myself included)

Would they really be the sort of people who would want to commit themselves to a large loan on a new car in these uncertain times, even if they DID get a £2K trade in??

Well, it woulnt tempt me! There is no way I would wish to take out a multi-grand loan that I have no need to! (Even if there was anything I liked about modern cars! personally I wouldnt touch anything made after 2000, especially a diesel!)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Do I have to tell my insurance company that my car has just quadrupled in value

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Half the £2000 is to be provided by the dealer, half by the government. My local Ford dealer was already offering £3000 discount for cash. All spin

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Quite!

More to the point, I wonder what the "rules" are likly to be.

The only people who would want to buy a new car are likly to be reasonably well off people with no clunker to trade in.

I have some old "sorned" that I have been hanging onto because they are to good to go to scrap or sell for £300.

(I even have some genuine scrappers (IE Beyond economic repair even by my standards! ))

However.

What if a "rich" person wanting to take advantage of ths scheme to buy a new car has no clunker to offer to trade in?


What if he was to pay me a grand for one of my scrappers so he can get a grand off the price??


Or will the scheme only apply to cars that are roadworthy?? (The irony of which would be hard to beat!)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

There's bound to be a catch, if not, all scrappers are now worth decent money in the right hands. I agree with you though, anyone with the money to buy a new car isn't likely to be running around, at the moment, in anything worth less than 2 k unless they have just come into some money. Another government ill thought out solution that just WON'T do any good.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Reads the small print You have to have owned the car for a year before it becomes eligible for scrappage.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

ill thought out? how? seems perfect to me. the propose this scheme which will only appeal to a minority of the public and they can afford to ignore it when they need to hang on to a scrapper for a year. they have introduced a scheme that looks good but in practice is absolutely useless. its a farce just like every policy that labour dream up

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And the scheme is only of limited time I guess???

IE nobody who does not already own a qualifying vehicle will ever qualify???

Am I correct???

<FX:Confidence>

I thought so....

(Though I will happly eat crow if I am wrong)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Scanny, you are right, it probably isn't ill thought out (can any government come out with so much useless crap by accident?) It's obviously all part of the governments masterplan to totally confuse us all into wondering what is going to "appear"next.

They obviously don't seem to have any clues how to make our roads safer, so why should they have any clues how to improve the economy?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

You are a good guesser - until March 2010

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8012492.stm



Enjoy your fish and chips

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Perhaps they mean trading in the real "chav-mobiles" instead of the well maintained ones which then become "collectors' classics of their genre"?

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A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

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Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

But I note they suggest "green cars"

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Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Thats my point.

The owners of "Chav mobilles" are NEVER going to be in a position to buy a NEW car, are they??

So who, exactly, is going to take advantage of this scheme??? (And why would they want to?)

And who will it benefit? And who will pay for it? (and how will it benefit them/us??)

The whole idea is Carp!

(and, in the mean time, (Though my main argument is that it wont actually) this could result in the senceless destruction of perfectly roadworthy vehicles that might otherwise have had many more years of servicable life! As if "built in obselecence" isnt bad enough, we now have a government policy of using tax revenue to destroy perfectly servicable machinary in order to subsidise (mostly) forighn corperations!

PLEASE Al Queada. "Fawks" them!! They are doing us far more damage than "YOU" Could EVER do!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

But I thought Germany has been doing this for a while to "rekindle their new car market"

Personally - am with the "use till had my money's worth brigade." That said .. I do happily sell on for a token fee .. a decent car which has"very much more or less fully depreciated in value" car .. to someone well able to give it a "good home" .. and then buy a better engineered model to replace . I try where possible to sell on to a known acquaintance who will benefit from a decent car at an affordable price. I usually keep a car for a few years.. .anyway. My current car is nearly 6 years old. The Mad Cats let go of their "moderns" at age three with full MOT - and barter for a fair trade-in price to off-set their new toys However .. I think they are thinking of letting their eldest son take over Wildy's car . and she buys herself a new "toy boy" this time around though

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Had a ford escort for 17 years got me up and down the country, had the odd few problems with it but all to be expected for its age. I'd have kept it longer only for the bodywork letting it down, sold it for £25.00, still in good running order and with full MOT. I did buy 2 new cars after but only because of the mileage I was doing. New cars are not worth it if you ask me, as you lose too much money on them.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

If I read this correctly from afar.

The scheme lasts 10 months
You have to own and drive the scrapper for 12 months
Government gives you 1,000 quid
The dealer knocks off another 1,000 (up goes the price by 1000!!!)
Government prefers "Green" cars (which are excessively expensive)

Outcome will be nearly zero take up BUT the spin doctors will claim that "The Government has introduced this superb scheme to save all the plebs money and car related workers their jobs"

The polite version of my comment is "Political Bulldust"

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My assistant has a 13yr old Fiesta with a rather dodgy CVT gearbox that's not easy to pull away in and needs a pricy repair. Without which I can't see her selling it for much.

She's after a cheap new car at the mo, so is well pleased about this scheme.

But you can two grand discount on a new Fiasco from most Ford dealers now. Will they put that on top of the scrappage allowance.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

She's after a poverty-spec Ka at a guess. My gut feeling is that she'll do better under this scheme than before.

Look at it this way, Ford will be getting £1k more than before, so they're able to (in theory) give my assistant a car and take her old one for £1k less from her and still break even.

Plus she's amazingly tight with money, and would always believe that she was being ripped off when part-exing a car to a dealer, whereas this way she'll think she's getting 'her' £2k. Which means she might - finally - stop going on about it and get a new car....

Now, if she id determined to buy a new car, then fair enough.

CVT faults are not uncommon and can cost a fair bit to fix.

Maybe as much as three months depreciation on a new equivalent car!

In strict economic terms, (unless the bodywork and interior are poor). She would be far better off fixing the fiesta

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