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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 17:49 
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Speed cameras are not the solution

By Colin Baker

A councillor received 11 points on his licence and was fined £250 after being caught by a mobile speed camera four times in two hours breaking a 30mph limit in Weston-super-Mare.At the next council meeting he called on his own council to make speed limit signs clearer, saying the new 30mph signs were insufficient and "stupid, and there ought to be repeated signs on every other lamppost."

He had an advantage that the rest of us are denied - an arena in which to air his grievances.

The Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens has been quoted as saying: "I don't approve of the use of speed cameras as money-making devices. The proper use for speed cameras is to lower the accident rate."

He insisted all the Met's cameras be placed where there was a history of serious accidents. "I am not after people on the school run exceeding the limit by five or six miles an hour. I want to target the dangerous drivers, the road hogs, and the menaces driving unlicensed and uninsured."

But who protected me from the articulated lorry that tailgated me with headlights on full beam as I drove at exactly the legal limit through the 40mph roadworks on the M25 last night? Had my very real fear led me to accelerate away, I would doubtless have got a ticket and my explanation would have fallen on deaf ears.

Twice recently I have seen a police van parked just inside the 30mph zone entering Wycombe from the west along the A40. The rear of the marked police van was on both occasions obscured by another vehicle parked (on a single yellow line) behind it, but so that the camera placed in the rear of the vehicle was still able to get a good view of the vehicles leaving the traffic signal controlled roadworks.

Normally you would be hard pressed to muster 20mph; but drivers that had been stopped by the temporary traffic lights were released into an a typically empty stretch of road. Catching cars exceeding a 30mph limit whilst accelerating out of roadworks onto an empty road is the road traffic equivalent of catching wasps in a jamjar and, I would argue, guaranteed to catch those very people on the school run exceeding the limit by five or six miles an hour to whom Sir John Stevens referred.

The majority of drivers (no not you, my dear perfect reader, but all the rest of us) speed at some time or other. Every councillor, every police officer, every magistrate (and quite a few of them have been convicted, it appears) is likely to have broken the law in this respect at some time.

But there is a universal reticence to acknowledge this, because it carries the implication that we don't care about the risk to human life. I am coming to the conclusion that the proliferation of speed cameras and varied approaches to speed restrictions have the potential to be more dangerous than the speeding that is being targeted.

I spend much more time than I ever used to looking down at my speedometer to check I am not marginally over the limit and as much time again checking for seemingly arbitrary alterations to the limit just for fear of being caught and deprived of my licence.

I would prefer to be able to concentrate on the road and what was actually happening on it.

9:46am Friday 30th April 2004

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Here's the BBC website article on the previous post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/3523117.stm

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A councillor received 11 points on his licence and was fined £250 after being caught by a mobile speed camera four times in two hours breaking a 30mph limit in Weston-super-Mare.At the next council meeting he called on his own council to make speed limit signs clearer, saying the new 30mph signs were insufficient and "stupid, and there ought to be repeated signs on every other lamppost."

What a shame the councillor doesn't realise that every lampost in that street is a reminder of the 30mph limit. An ass indeed!

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itschampionman wrote:
What a shame the councillor doesn't realise that every lampost in that street is a reminder of the 30mph limit. An ass indeed!

There is a generally recognised problem of drivers failing to recognise 30 mph limits in non built up areas.

This obviously raises the question of why the hell there are 30 mph limits in non built up areas anyway, but if councils in their infinite wisdom decide to impose such ludicrous limits then surely it is reasonable to expect them to put up signs stating that a 30 mph limit is in force.

In my view any 30 mph limit in an area that is not obviously built up should have repeater signs.

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itschampionman wrote:
A councillor received 11 points on his licence and was fined £250 after being caught by a mobile speed camera four times in two hours breaking a 30mph limit in Weston-super-Mare.At the next council meeting he called on his own council to make speed limit signs clearer, saying the new 30mph signs were insufficient and "stupid, and there ought to be repeated signs on every other lamppost."

What a shame the councillor doesn't realise that every lampost in that street is a reminder of the 30mph limit. An ass indeed!



Eeh! It's Chumpion again! :wink:

He was driving on a local stretch of road which had been 40mph previously. Locals, unfortunately, will behave according to habit and not be as vigilant as someone new to the area. They are used to certain road having certain speed limit. I once drove along a road recently- last driven on when on L-plates!. Road was 40mph when I last drove on it - after 27 years or so - turned into this road; most were travelling at ca. 38mph, and there were just two faded repeaters on lamp posts! :roll: Speed limit had in fact changed down to 30mph some 7 years previously! Locals apparently still associate this road with its old limit - even now according to the bloke at the garage when I filled up!

Councillor's argument was that after a speed limit change - there should have been better signs and reminders to help locals get used to change.

Not enough just to introduce a 30mph limit and remove the 40mph signs and repeaters these days! You do associate certain road with certain speed limit - especially if you are local! :wink:

Challenge you to come to LanCASH£££re - and drive past all 360 fixed and mobile scams with speedo covered up. Bet you would soon change your tune! :wink:


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