Safe Speed Forums

Your optimism is touching. Even the most dilligent police officer would look askance at 24 hour surveillance on a road where they only detected 3 speeders in a daytime hour. Even if they did it, all they would catch are the mums taking their kids to school (as happened in my village). As pointed out above in the "rush hour" it's too busy to speed.

Like residents in a lot of villages, what the complainers actually want is for no traffic to come past their houses at all. The speed issue is just a proxy that they can use to raise a complaint.

Another thing worth pointing out is that a lot of angry NIMBYs who want a speed limit lowering on 'their' local route are actually annoyed about the volume of traffic as much as the speed, even if they don't realise it themselves.

But if the limit is lowered, it will actually increase traffic density, simple example:

Limit on a one mile section of road is lowered by half.
One car enters a second.
It takes each car twice as long to travel the mile.
Hence twice as many cars in the one mile section.

There's a road near me that was lowered to 40 from 60 and the traffic density at the same time of day noticeably increased.

NIMBYs: be careful what you wish for!

The complaint was that not enough people were caught speeding, ergo they wanted people to speed, it's not rocket science.

It's like the people who want covert speed cameras, they must want people not to slow down because the camera will not be visible so that more motorists get fined.

I must be silly today. Could you show me where you said this?

The complaint was that not enough people were caught speeding, ergo they wanted people to speed, it's not rocket science.

None of these roads are suited to spirited driving - there are just too many blind corners, hidden entrances, and agricultural traffic. It needs MAJOR investment to sort out the problems.

That must be why, according to Odin, the inhabitants are encouraging speeding.

Their complaint is that the people who are speeding are not being caught not that too few people are speeding. I have a similar complaint about burglars in the High Peak but I really really don't want to be burgled.

None of these roads are suited to spirited driving - there are just too many blind corners, hidden entrances, and agricultural traffic. It needs MAJOR investment to sort out the problems.

Perhaps there aren't enough people being caught speeding because not many people are speeding, did this not cross your mind?

The point behind covert monitoring is that people who would otherwise speed do not know where they would get flashed and so would be more inclined travel under the limit everywhere they go, not just the bit in front of the speed camera.

Perhaps it's becuase they didn't monitor the roads for long enough/at the right time, did this not cross your mind?

No the point behind covert monitoring is that the general public do not know where the cameras are, so they get flashed and earn the partnerships more money. If the public could see the cameras they would slow down - I thought that was the point, clearly by your logic I am wrong.

Yes monitoring at rush hour with lower speed would have given a much better result.

Why would you get flashed?

Because you hadn't seen the deliberatley deficient signage that the council know will cause motorists to speed because they don't know about the artificially low speed limit on the road they are on.

But that wouldn't have been a fair sample would it.

Oh please!

So your contention is that the residents are wrong is it? Therefore the sample that was used was correct and that no speeding problem exists.

Good glad you have no answer for that, must be too close to the mark for you.

We don't know if they are wrong or right.