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Not according to this:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/braking.xls

I might add I think the figures on here are WILDLY over optomistic.

That's a one size fits all chart, similar to the highway code. try this link.
http://something-interesting.co.uk/2008 ... distances/ OR
http://www.supercars.net/cars/3988.html

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It's still distasteful and puerile, and I for one would ask you to stop.

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Actually it isn't. It is vehicle and driver specific.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

for which vehicle though?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It is a bloody good point. I frequently do 140 at night, normally with no lights, with only a small and acceptable level of risk.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

You enter the braking effort specific to your own car.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

ok, but it still goes to prove my point, that a safe stopping distance is relative to car/driver/conditions not a chart on the back of the highway code.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Do you really?

How do you achieve that?[/quote]

If we have strong evidence that this person would be regularly behaving like a prat in same area at similar times - then we would have to take some action. Thus we would brief the officers accordingly.

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Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

You still have to be aware of your speed and know you can stop safely and comfortably in the distance you can see to be clear .. and stay on your own side of the road

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

yep. I remember when I was driving for parcelforce on the rural runs .We had a night of very high wind and up one country lane at about 6am in the dark, there was a massive tree across the road, that certainly left no margin for error, anyone coming across that too fast would have had no chance of swerving round it or bouncing off it without a nasty headache or worse...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

We know a greater proportion of deaths on the faster roads are attributed to fatigue (24%: Road Safety Research Report No. 52) than exceeding the speed limit (7%: RCGB2007) - more so at night!

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They all seem sensible to me; what do you think is wrong with them?

You think everyone goes too fast and can everyone should slow down, but you've never qualtified any of it. Would you forgive people for ignoring you if you weren't to give supporting evidence or reasoning when asked?


And where exactly did you 'read' that?
People must be able to see the detail of a VRM at 20 yards, yet these same people won't be able to see something slightly bigger in their headlamps at greater than 50 yards?


Why do you say that? I did just that in Germany (when and where it was properly delimited - and yes during darkness).

There are various tricks at a driver's disposal to gain additional visual range as well as aiding assessment of risks. You assume too much.

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My point was that your claim that it's safe to do 80 (or 100) on a dark country road with nothing but your headlights to see by is total and utter bunkum.

Do you think this guy doing 100 was "using tricks at a driver's disposal to gain additional visual range as well as aiding assessment of risks"?

How fast would that be?

According to you if lights give you 75 yards of vision and you want to stop in the distance you can see to be clear according to SafeSpeed you should be doing 45-50 mph, maybe 60 if you don't mind emergency stops.

Certainly not 80 or 100.

I think Steve use headlamps to effect /

I do not ever do stupid. I have to see the road ahead .. MY CHOICE!


I may be against speed cams ..pro well trained police.. but I would not expect police to let me off the hook if I did something stupid or chose an blatantly OTT speed.

I would expect all police to be trained to some uniform. good practice level of allowed discretion. I will state formally once und for all.

I LIKE/RESPECT/WANT MORE police.

I have had mostly pleasant und positive encounters in REAL life to date. I know what I expect/require.

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(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
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And an ability to move in three dimensions...

weepej do you ever read anything and digest it? I hope that you are more observant when driving/cycling than you are at reading the posts. Stopping distances are relevent to the car and driver and conditions.... NOT a chart. Don't believe everything that you read otherwise you may start to believe that speed cameras save lives and "speed kills".

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

No doubt, weepej believes that all rural motorways, i.e. those without lighting should be limited to 50MPH after dark?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.