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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 23:20 
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is there a point to this thread

Are you for real ?
"Chickens are coming home to roost ?
Penny dropping ?


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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 23:34 
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 23:39 
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ahh no

Any chance of a joined up sentence?


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 00:05 
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 00:13 
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ernest marsh opened the post with:
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The whole rotten apple barrel is being looked into


You carry the footer:
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what comes around goes around

I just find it difficult to believe that you don't see the obvious point of the posting & the thread!


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 03:15 
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"First they ignore you. Then they mock you. Then they get angry. And then you win." Mahatma Gandhi's famous words.

yimitier; You are to be saluted, I commend you. Keep up the good work.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 18:19 
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West Yorkshire Camera Partnership Fail To Process 151,341 FPNs Through The Courts System over 3 years!
FOI information figures clearly show that for the years 2004-5,2005-6,2006-7. West Yorkshire speeding camera Partnership claimed payment under the "netting off process" for issuing 151,341 speeding FPNs to the courts stage that NEVER REACHED THE COURTS!
That's 151,341 identified drivers admitting the offence who, never saw the courts, received no fine nor points, nor ANY FORM OF PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER!


The total number of FPNs issued for the 3 years and sent to the courts is given as 168,919 because the FPNs weren't paid or were contested , but the courts figures are only 17,577 in total for the same corresponding 3 years.

So where did the 151,341 ISSUED FPNs GO ?
Selective Prosecutions!!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 19:02 
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Mid - South Wales Camera Partnership claimed to have sent 198,594 FPNs Through The Courts System over 3 years but the TOTAL COURT PROCEEDINGS FOR ALL WALES IS ONLY 50,600 for speeding offences!

FOI information figures clearly show that for the years 2004-5,2005-6,2006-7. Mid - South Wales Camera Partnership claimed payment under the "netting off process" for issuing 198,594 speeding FPNs to the courts stage.
That's 198,594 identified drivers admitting the offence many who, never saw the courts, received no fine nor points, nor ANY FORM OF PUNISHMENT WHATSOEVER!


There's a pattern emerging here!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:38 
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"Secret Internal Fraud Investigation" into LRSP FINANCES
uncovers that they are flawed!



A secret six month internal investigation has revealed accountancy inconsistencies in the returns of Lancashire Road Safety Partnership during the years 2001 to date!

Recent Press reports, damaging to Lancashire Constabulary, regarding speed enforcement as a result of Nigel Evans asking Ministers embarrassing questions has prompted Lancashire County Council to make the results public under FOI.

The unrevealed contents of the investigation claim to clear Lancashire Constabulary of fraud involvement.


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Dear Nigel,
I forward the following to you.
Attachment (cosh 1) is, I am SUPPOSED to assume, the “OFFICIAL” reply from Lancashire Police Authority.

However this carries the heading:
“subject: Correspondence relating to Speed Awareness Courses and Lancashire Road Safety Partnership.

Please note;
this is a reply from The Assistant Director of Finance to LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL not THE TREASURER to LPA!

It appears that Mr Cosh has a serious difficulty in differentiating between the two posts!

This, to me, casts serious doubts on THE INDEPENDENCE of LPA and on its credibility.

They now appear to be under the direction & control of Lancashire County Council and are totally dependant and reliant on LCC employees for their financial authenticity. (Both Treasurer & their internal auditor are LCC employees & the “treasurer” is the boss of the internal auditor at LCC!)

I expand:

Attachment cosh2 is a copy of an email I previously forwarded to you in relation to enquiries to Lancashire County Council regarding THEIR involvement in speed awareness & LRSP FPNH1 returns to The Department for Transport.

Lancashire Police Authority have no involvement in either and are, I assume, INDEPENDENT from both these. I refer to previous comments on this.

This clearly confirms that ALL the FPNs claimed under the Road Safety Camera Scheme are ABSOLUTELY correct, authenticated by all parties concerned, and therefore these must include the unpaid FPNs sent to the courts.


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The forwarded email (below) was to LPA in relation to the findings of the Director of Finance Cumbria & Lancashire Courts that indicate the claims made under the FPNH1s of Lancashire Road Safety Partnership, in relation to administration of FPNs claimed to have been sent through the courts, reflect ALL MOTORING OFFENCES and not just Red Light & Speeding Offences.

However if Mr Cosh is replying as TREASURER to LPA , I reproduce the following from his document ( cosh1) and will comment on the same:

“During the audit investigation a number of inconsistencies in the apportionment and accounting for costs relating to speed enforcement have been identified. I have taken steps to adjust the charges to reflect the correct apportionment of costs and put in place new processes to ensure that going forward the correct apportionment and recharges are made”.

It appears that The Head of Internal Audit’s investigation confirms that, to me, irregularities not inconsistencies, have been found in relation to the types of FPNs being claimed under the Road Safety Camera Scheme in relation to methods of accountancy and payments made in relation to the administration of these financial claims from Her Majesty’s Treasury.

In effect it appears that The Head of Internal Audit’s investigation confirms the Director of Finance to Cumbria & Lancashire Courts’ suspicions.

In view of Mr Cosh’s involvement, as internal auditor, confirming officer to the Audit commission to obtain certification for payment, Assistant Director of finance overseeing the audit department, Treasurer to LPA confirming the income from The Road Safety Camera scheme paid to, and claimed by Lancashire Constabulary, I find no credibility in his latest CONFIRMATION that Lancashire Constabulary nor himself have any part to play in:

“During the audit investigation a number of inconsistencies in the apportionment and accounting for costs relating to speed enforcement have been identified”
Accountancy speak for fraud!

Going to court is part of the Enforcement policy! I therefore can only assume this is what he refers to in this statement!

Over 80,000 missing summonses is pretty inconsistent!

However if they are other motoring offences claimed for payment they do fit the description:
” a number of inconsistencies in the apportionment and accounting for costs relating to speed enforcement”

I have even less confidence that:

” I have taken steps to adjust the charges to reflect the correct apportionment of costs and put in place new processes to ensure that going forward the correct apportionment and recharges are made”.
The Auditors are auditing themselves.

I take it that no repayments have been made to the Government or any Minister contacted unless, the repayments have been made direct to Jack Straw.

He wouldn’t know, he’s too busy!!

Maybe that’s how he managed to repay his council tax claims!

25 speeding tickets would cover it exactly!

Who knows when the lunatics take over the asylum, anything is possible ?


As I have been banned from direct contact with any MEMBER or OFFICER of LCC by their Legal Solicitor since Mr. Cosh’s first letter (cosh2), and have therefore no democratic representative to consult (CLLr Driver refuses to answer any correspondence from me or return telephone calls made to his office), I believe that it is time for the LPA & The Chief Constable to be put to strict proof of Mr. Cosh’s claims as, as usual, he provides no evidence, supplies no documentation to support his claims and as indicated above he has a very large self interest that this be swept under the carpet.


I therefore formally request that you act in the public interest, in view of the large amounts of Government money involved, to request some sort of independent enquiry takes place in respect of the Head of internal audits investigatory findings.

Again,

Thank you for your unstinting support

It appears that no councillors were involved or even consulted about this "investigation" but that it was simply undertaken to minimise the damage that recent press reports had done to the image of the Partnership!


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:55 
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To put it more bluntly, the criminals are passing sentence upon themselves ?

But then, in this non-public-serving public service oriented country, do you expect anything other than each protecting the others back ?

I think they ought to have the phrase Public Service explained to them. And the other millions who think the same about us.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:39 
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It's just been pointed out what a difference six months make!

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NOVEMBER 2008


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MAY 2009

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REWARDS FOR SERVICES RENDERED ?


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 15:54 
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No, it's another job with another salary. To go with the first job.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 17:02 
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No, it's another job with another salary. To go with the first job.

Do you mean he gets paid a salary from Lancashire County, froom the rates etc, for a FULL TIME job as Ass. FINANCE DIRECTOR, and then gets paid another salary from Lancashire Police Authority from their Government GRANT for a full time job?

So what about the "internal auditor" ?
She's paid to work a " full time job" as an internal auditer for Lancashire County Council. So is she also paid AGAIN to work as the internal auditor for Lancashire Police Authority?
Are these jobs done in the same hours, checking the same work that they have done for The Council ?
Sounds like double pay, from the public purse, to me ?

However there's one name on the carboned copies of COSH1 & wasn't on COSH2 that I have never heard of; David Brindle.

So who is he ?

OH! He's big GUNS in the finance world!

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Well obviously Mr Finnigan must be worried as he has instructed that THE TOP ACCOUNTANT makes sure that NO BLAME will be attached to the Constabulary!

After All this guy is on a level with an Acting Chief Constable!

(That's not new! So are most of the staff at Blackburn CTO! In relation to ACTING I mean!)

See his level here!)

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I'll bet David's not BEST PLEASED that Mr.Cosh was in such a hurry to get out this email on Friday that he's gone and put David's email address into the public domain so anybody can contact him!!!!

SO I'M SURE that David will be reading SAFESPEED by now!

BCC Mr Cosh not CC if you don't want people to find out who is involved in the INNER CIRCLE!!


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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 17:34 
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yeah. It's quite common in private industry for one person to have several jobs, all paid.
many companies I have checked-out have persons who are:
1. A director (self employed, so no salary details)
and:
2. Engineering Designer (18K)
and:
3. Company secretary (12K)

All made hard[er] work because many companies now fall under the regime of having a turn-over small enough to get by with simplified accounts.
And they do not have an army of "public servants" to cover-up their indiscretions (until it's time to blow the whistle)

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 17:58 
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jomukuk wrote:
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(until it's time to blow the whistle)


Thanks for your input!

I believe that the whistle has been well & truly blown on LRSP!


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And if you need any more proof of the normality of multiple-jobs-multiple-interests then google mps' outside interests !
These people are paid (in various ways) to represent us....instead many have "other jobs" earning hundreds of thousands a year to represent someone else !

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing


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I don't think that MPs should have outside jobs because, as you say, they are paid to represent us and they continually tell us how hard the job is (with long hours and all).

However, one qualification for being an MP should be that you have held a "real job" in the private sector outside the areas of politics, lobbying and political research.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 16:53 
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Which private sector ?
Have you any idea how many "private" industries are running on public money ?
Many of these guys (mps') are paid as "consultants" by private industries, so how does that make you feel about their "independence" ?
Face it, the public services are institutionally corrupt even if not criminally such. Mp's, with their outside interests and expenses are not criminally corrupt because they weight the law and rules to suit their needs.
Check YOUR mps' expenses: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

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What fascinating facts ... got that email list per chance ? pls.

Double earning is most interesting !

Utterly amazing on the netting off - can you send me those docs directly too - thanks. :)

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 07:48 
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Double earning is most interesting !

It's called "Local Service Agreements" within the Public Authority System!
Basically:
The same public money, going around, in order to justify spends and maintain and increase budget allowances from the Government.
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Treasurers and such posts, I would imagine, are paid directly to the person.
Hence my posting "for services rendered"!


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