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For a reported RTA? They don't know somebody's not trapped in a car, that there's not fumes around, that there's been criminal activity.



I didn't. You're putting words into my mouth.

Bad driving by both parties there don't you think?

That's a bit different to saying that "Graball, not even big tone is suggesting that more than 0% of the blame for this sitaution should be laid at the door of the lady in the car" So is she no more than 0% to blame or was she driving badly....you can't have it both ways.



That's why you tell them what service you need and a brief run down of the situation, e.g. a girls fallen off a motorbike and broken her arm. I should know I rang 999 only yesterday, have you ever?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Oh and as a side note....I didn't get a shiny red fire engine or a "shouty" white ambulance ....;-(

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Er, yes you can.

No blame at all can be attached to the lady for the bike hitting the back of her, it was the rider's job not to hit the back of her, no matter what she did.

At the same time she made a misjudgement, and so did the rider.

Was it an RTA?

How can someone be "driving badly", be involved in an accident and yet not take any blame for that accident?

Are you saying that people who are driving badly at the time of having an accident be totally blame free, surely bad driving is what causes accidents or would you disagree?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It was a drunk throwing a brick through a car windscreen. There could have been people trapped in the car (send a fire engine), there could have been people injured (send an ambulance), there could have been a major disturbance (send 4 police cars)....but no I explained the situation, one police car turned up and arrested said drunk....we use common sense and communication in this part of the world.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So it wasn't an RTA then.

Do you think emergency services should send ambulance fire engine and police to RTAs as a matter of course?

Aside from it being debatable that coming to a sharp stop at a junction if you suddenly realise you might've misperceived the situation is bad driving, I can't work out how you think the lady stopping was the cause of the crash, it was the rider that went into the back of the car.

Definately not, what percentage of RTAs involve people being trapped in vehicles or fuel spillages? What's wrong with using communication and common sense?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Try reading it again.

She skidded to a stop a foot over the white line after dithering and blamed the non existing sun for being in her eyes. Is that the actions of a good driver and you then have to ask the question of the OP.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Are you still saying that her bad driving at the junction, which was, IMO, not the actions one would expect from a "normal" or "good" driver.... did IN NO WAY contribute to the accident?

A simple yes or no will be sufficient.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

There should've been no contact, except if she slammed her car into reverse and drove at the motorcycle.

Sorry, I have to say that in this case weepej is quite right. There is never an acceptable excuse for running into the back of another vehicle. If you make assumptions about the likely behaviour of other road users, you should always confirm that they are correct before acting.

The woman's driving fell well short of the ideal, but that doesn't excuse running into the back of her car.

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I'm not saying that the biker wasn't at fault and legally in the wrong, but morally the woman did have apart to play in the accident.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Weepej,

Let's take this a step further then.
What if...the woman who skidded to a halt, already over the junction markings, was actually in the path of an oncoming car. The oncoming car couldn't swerve past her because the road was narrow and a juggernaut was approaching in the other lane. The driver (who wasn't exceeding the speed limit) couldn't avoid hitting the woman.

Who would you put the blame onto for that accident then?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I'm sorry but I find myself with graball on this. I can think of numerous instances where the driver in front is partly, mainly or even wholey culpable. There have been instances recently where drivers working togther cut someone up on an insurance scam - correct?

But never mind that. We discussed here, on another thread, about how to overtake. Unless you own a Ferrari, 'we' generally agreed it went something like this I think..

You see an opening ahead, in front of the slow coach, so as the on-coming vehicle is driving towards us you get closer and closer ready for the overtake, (certainly less than two seconds), to the vehicle in front. Am I right so far or did I miss the plot? It's what I do in these circumstances but then I'm also looking ahead of the driver in front to make sure he's not about to brake for something or some reason.

IF, at the point I am pulling up to the car in front and after the oncoming vehicle has just passed he decides to brake as hard as he can what is going to happen? Be honest now! Don't come back at me with something like "well if you have a 1.4 Polo you should just never overtake".

On my motorbike, I can keep two seconds behind the car in front and wait for the car to pass before accelerating from 40mph to 70mph in ~2.8 seconds without getting dangerously close to the vehicle in front. But how do I do it in my 1.4 Polo?

I'm keeping open minded here...

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Well, if the driver you're about to overtake slams their anchors on at that point and you mash yourself over the back of them you've only got yourself to blame.

If they did it maliciously I would expect to see them charged, but still if you hit the back of their vehicle then you've only got yourself to blame. I don't know how I can put it any other way.

If what you say is true, how do you explain this judgment?

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Bizzare.