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I don't believe anyone has said that anywhere, there is always the potential to screw things up, however lane changes are not complex, and need not be at all dangerous, if conducted correctly. The vast majority of lane changes do not result in any additional danger whatsoever. You yourself said that we must deal with the real world, so consider this; although you may find lane changes difficult, the vast majority of drivers do not, so perhaps some introspection is required. The small number of drivers who are incapable of changing lane do produce a disproportionate impact on everyone else, particularly in the form of MLMs.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Indeed it is, by people who don't know better: the people who don't know the highway code. Those who do recognise it as a misnomer.


Yet we have the power to deal with people who deal with people act in the belief that they are entitled to remain in a 'fast' lane. (Robin gets it)

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Are you suggesting that you are incapable of discerning which lanes are for driving in, and as such should be used per the rule "keep left unless overtaking", and which are not?

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Substantiate please.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Most of which do not occur on motorways and rural dual carriageways anyway.

And I wonder what a "tool booth lane" is

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God, you're tying yourself in knots again today, aber!

So people should keep left unless overtaking, but not change lane too much. Right..........

I'll ask a direct question, and maybe get a direct answer: If you're in lane 2 and there's a gap in lane 1 between two well spaced trucks, how long (in units of time) would you anticipate spending there before having to come out again in order to satisfy your own lane-changing criteria?

And do please stop trying to conflate people wishing to drive fast with their personal stress levels being high, they are two entirely unrelated emotional states in many people. Some of the angriest motorists I see are also the slowest!

And do please stop trying to suggest that because some people aren't capable of doing something (in this case changing lane) safely that no-one should do it. That's a bit control-freak-nanny-state-ish, isn't it? Are you Tony Blair?

15 minutes.

I'll make it easy for you - the goal is to spend a small fragment of our driving time straddling lanes. We want to spend the vast majority of time in lane. That's why there are called LANES, although Steve will say it's a misnomer, I expect. Switching in and out all the time is a chump's game, and right minded people (not many here) deprecate it.

Thanks, you've put your finger on it - most people think that driving is very easy, don't they?

Take it up with the driving guru;.

http://www.driversedguru.com/driving-ar ... nge-lanes/

Which obviously means it isn't necessarily dangerous: it indeed can be done safely.

This contrasts with your own comment: "lane changes are complex and quite dangerous" - it appears you misquoted that guru.

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Abercrombie,

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So this doesn't substantiate your claim that "oddballs here...claim to spend a big fragment of their driving time straddling two lanes". Do you ever intend that your answers address the questions asked?

Spending a protracted period in anything other than the correct lane for the conditions is a chump's game, and as a right minded person I gladly deprecate it, for reasons stated again and again, which are rarely addressed and never countered by those selfish enough to think themselves above proper lane discipline.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

It is, far more so than tasks I carry out daily, as do many others.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Nice abdication.

Misquoting and failure to understand aside, are all your ideas and opinions dictated by others?

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

If driving is very easy why do we spend so much time discussing the niceties and why does it take so many hours to learn to learn? Personally, I find driving towards the harder end of the spectrum of things I do every day. Harder than sitting on a bus; harder than eating my breakfast; harder than reading the newspaper; as hard as my professional work.

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I give up, you're being a provocative little prick and I'm going to leave you to it.

It is far easier than my professional work, hence my comment.

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This thread has been split off from the parent thread here.

Yes but you are hardly typical Using harder in the general sense of both difficult and with severe consequences for failure I think that cycling and mountaineering are the only two of my activities which are harder than driving.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown