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graball
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 23:05 
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Perhaps, Weepej, you could tell us what the arrows visible in between the hatched areas of the road in the map, actually mean then?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 23:17 
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http://www.eta.co.uk/2009/08/07/young-drivers-more-supportive-safety-cameras
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Young drivers 'more supportive of safety cameras'
Friday, 7th August, 2009
Young drivers are the most supportive of speed cameras, a new study by the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM) has found.

The research showed that 17 to 24-year-olds gave the highest approval ratings for the devices, having a more positive attitude towards them than many older people. Those aged over 45 were the least supportive.

Neil Greig, director of research and policy for the IAM, suggests the fact that younger have grown up in a “surveillance society” may have something to do with the results and that many people still think that the main job of these devices is to raise money.

The research also found that women are generally more supportive of the cameras.

Speed camera technology
A new type of speed camera that works in pairs in order to calculate a vehicle’s average speed over a distance of up to 6 miles is to be introduced on British motorways and in residential areas.

The ‘average speed cameras’ are currently in use on motorways during road works, and following these trials the government is expected to use the new technology as a replacement for Gatso and Truvelo cameras, which measure speed over only a short distance.

A spokesperson for the Environmental Transport Association (ETA) said: “The stretches of motorway currently covered by average speed cameras are arguably the only bits of road in Britain where every vehicle is driving at, or below, the limit.”

“No traffic camera system is a panacea, but average speed cameras will deliver environmental and safety gains – particularly in residential areas.”

Average speed cameras
Using cameras to measure the average speed travelled over a distance is much more effective than single standing cameras – simply because drivers cannot speed up between cameras. Average speed cameras are also better than road humps. Road humps are often only cushions and larger vehicles can go over them far faster than small vehicles, which encourages some people to buy bigger off-road vehicles.


I wish they would stop mixing road "safety" with the environment :x There are ofcourse many things wrong with this story but I have got to it late in the day and am too tired to post any more.

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weepej wrote:
That's debatable. You're not supposed to enter these "unless it is necessary".


That is not correct. I suspect that, like coloured surfaces, these markings have no meaning in law. They do not appear in the "Road markings" section of the Highway Code so I don't know how one is supposed to interpret them but I found this on http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/web/corporate/pages.nsf/Links/BE61EF40918804D180256DFF003656AA'

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Hatched markings show areas of a carriageway which drivers should not enter unless it is safe to do so.

At right-turn lanes they provide a clear traffic-free area in front of and behind vehicles waiting in the centre of the carriageway to turn right.

Hatching on a wide road

On wide main roads, centre hatching may be provided to separate opposing lanes of traffic and discourage overtaking.

Hatched road markings on a bend

Hatching is sometimes provided on bends to give extra emphasis and discourage drivers from cutting the corner.


As a driver should not enter any part of the road (or indeed any part of the universe) unless it is safe to do so - that first paragraph essential says that the hatching has no meaning.
To discourage overtaking and to discourage cutting corners - discourage not prohibit

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This is exactly my take on it. In fact they do discourage overtaking, in the ignorant, but experienced drivers will use them to overtake. This is the reason why you will find arrows in the road where they are warning you to get back onto your own side of the road, just before an obstacle such a s a crossing refuge( see map/picture down loaded)

Many years ago we had some wide roads around here with a third lane in the middle. This was obviously an overtaking lane for traffic in either direction (no solid white lines) but people used to enter it, without any thought that someone else also might want to use it coming in the other direction. Several accidents ensued, so eventually the authorities replace the third lane with two wide lanes and a broken cross hatch in the middle....it solved the problem of risky overtakes overnight. People could still overtake on them but it stopped the "lemmings".

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graball
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http://www.multimap.com/maps/#map=52.70 ... |TF4%202AS

This is the correct link if you type in the last bits or see link a couple of posts back

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Many years ago we had some wide roads around here with a third lane in the middle. This was obviously an overtaking lane for traffic in either direction (no solid white lines) but people used to enter it, without any thought that someone else also might want to use it coming in the other direction. Several accidents ensued, so eventually the authorities replace the third lane with two wide lanes and a broken cross hatch in the middle....it solved the problem of risky overtakes overnight. People could still overtake on them but it stopped the "lemmings".


Two lanes to drive in, one lane to die in!

On the other hand, back in the 80's I remeber a streach of road beyween reading and oxford which was basically very wide SC. It was actually wide enough to be marked as a "No central reservation DC" IYSWIM.

As a result, one could overtake safely in both directions simultainioulsy. interestingly the road dicipline was typically excellent. Drivers who were not overtaking would keep well over to the left to allow overtaking drivers the room to do so.

Maybe all trunk roads should be built this way. takes up less space than conventional DC but provides nearly all the same advantages + a greater tendency for people to "Keep left unless overtaking" than occurs with segregated lanes.

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graball
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Yes we have one near Shrewsbury, it's brilliant, full of lorries but still the majority of traffic flows at 60MPH, no queues, lots of safe overtaking. It's suprising how sensible motorists can be when they have to "think for themselves", maybe the government should try these roads for themselves sometime.

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