Safe Speed Forums

tik64 and p4nth3r7

Indeed the predictability of any given road speed is vanishing. One area a 50 mph is current in another area of the Country it is 30mph and in another 60mph.
The whole purpose of any camera van is to ensure that road users are maintaining a given numeric value.
When road speeds were set it used to be due to the type of road use bearing in mind all the environmental factors.
Roads 'types' had a clearly defined posted speed limit.
With Councils now pretty much left to their own devices of road safety it has become very unclear.

Traveling about the Country shows you very quickly how extreme this is becoming.
So it is no wonder that road users are confused when observing the road, so we need to start relying on the sign to ensure the correct numeric value is being adhered to. The logic of road speed is gone.
Drivers cannot tell so they estimate, they also driver ever slower to allow for camera errors too, so greater margin ensure license safety.
With the added problems of bad signage if they even exist at all, or even wrong signage road users are struggling to maintain a legal speed even when they want to.

Driving to conditions is skewed, it becomes a numeric value only than about road safety.

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I do agree it is extremely confusing given that i dont actually carry a tape measure on me to measure 200yds between lamps at the roadside whilst travelling at 30mph and that they do not site enough numeric speed limits at regular intervals. But at the end of the day alot of my friends have been caught doing 34mph and fined £60 with 3 points for a quite small crime. I could actually go right now to a pub, punch someone in the face and get a slap on the wrist. But doing 34mph is a bigger crime in their eyes.
Fair enough if they were doing 40mph in a 30mph limit but even on motorways my friends have been pulled over for doing 78mph whilst there are still cars overtaking him at 80mph+ but the cops take the easy option and arrest the guy easiest to catch to raise their figures and stats.

I dont speed often, only when it is safe to do so (like 1am onwards when there is no traffic) and if i have a tailgator pushing me along. But i will say that there is a 30mph limit where i live where there are no paths and there is a barrier between the 4 lanes but they cant be arsed to change the limit to 40mph and put a sign up as its only a 500yd stretch of road. But people still do 40+mph down there and get caught alot.

I still stand by the fact that we now live in a political correctness society designed to keep the poor, poor and the rich, rich and that they want us to live in a big brother system and drive how they want and live how they want and pay what they want. They are effectivly driving us off the road (excuse the pun).

We pay £200 a year road tax, we pay £4000 a year fuel (of which 60% goes to the government) we pay for MOTs and other bits and bobs....and what is it for? So we can drive our cars at ridiculously slow speeds on congested, bumpy, potholed roads just to keep MR transport secretary happy?

Well MR Transport Secretary, how about i send you the bills for the 3 times ive had to have my suspension fixed, the 2 times ive needed a new front windscreen and the 20+ tyres ive gone through due to lack of good standard roads. I make that about £1200 in tyres, £600 in suspension and £1000 for 2 new screens, and while youre at it could i please have compensation for paying road tax on roads as im paying for something and not getting anything in return, which incidently constitutes fraud. And the fact that the roads are so congested and broken that they actually waste my time and time is precious so about £10,000,000 should cover the stress, lost time, lost earnings and overall downright shambles that we call our road system.

I had a brand new exhaust pipe fracture on the weld after only seven months.I put it down to the ridiculous amount of speed bumps that I have to travel over every day just to get within a few miles of my home, some are so steep that even 10MPH is bone jarring and thats supposed to be in a 30MPH limit.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

That's the point. They have set themselves targets of how many of our cars they want to get off of our roads.
We should be fighting back. I believe honking over every road hump solved that problem in France.

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Andrew.

Ok we need to think of some sort of way to make them see that they are totally unreasonable and in essence protest against the stupid arrogant government.

People are too scared to do anything alone but in groups they become much more persuasive. We should all not pay our car tax for one year, what are they going to do about it? Crush 10 million cars? i think not. I pay my road tax and then have to pay for repairs to my car because the roads are inadequate.

The french protest at every little thing possible and the government listens to the people and comes to a agreement with them. The English just say 'Oh well, what can we do anyway?' but thats the wrong attitude that is letting our spineless government walk all over us. Thomas Cromwell was the last man to shift power for the people, we need someone like him to stand up get a force and seek justice for all.

Thomas Cromwell? WTF did Thomas Cromwell do to promote people power?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

He's a good example of "person" power!

sorry, i meant the guy that ousted the king and made a parliment that actually listened and helped the people.... was that TC?

Oliver Cromwell

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Oliver Cromwell - a miserable bastard. TC was the one who helped Henry VIII found the protestant church then persecute the Catholics.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I hail from a Catholic family. I would thus agree about TC.


Henry though did have him executed over marrying him to Anne of Cleves...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUDcromwell.htm


Oliver Cromwell?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_f ... iver.shtml


And basically a kill joy because of Puritan beliefs. Hang on.. we have a bunch just like him. They are called "politically correct nannies!" today

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Welcome to the anti bump club .

Recently we had a local road "resurfaced "- or in real terms they put down a layer of tar and stones -surface dressing .Now on one speed table they have seemed to have stopped short on one side ,meaning that on the approach ,you drop into a hollow ,then rise again ,and bang goes the front .I've now got to the stage of stopping short of the dip ,allowing the car to roll in and then driving off .Put in a complaint to our local county highways and result was that they could not find anything wrong . So it's off to my local county councillor -suggested he drive over it .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Don't forget to hold down the horn every time you go past it (and every other one).

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Andrew.

I had a long drawn out battle with my local highways dept. The only standard reply that they kept coming back with was that,.... "It is within the spec for height and table length for the guidelines"

What these morons don't realise is that it issnt the height of the bump that causes the problem it's the angle of the approach slope.
going up a 4" bump with a gentle approach slope is not a problem, drive up a 4" inch pavement (90degree approach slope) and you might notice it a bit more.... No-one in the highways could appreciate that....obviously not covered in their "guidelines"

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.