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I of course will NOT get thwacked on the head... but can still vouch for everything he says!

I am sure that most cyclists will be aware that unless a pedestrian (or other cyclist) is looking at them, they have little warning that the cyclist is approaching, so therefore the cyclist should be aware that the other party is likely to step out in front of them.

Maybe that lolly stick in the spokes of your Raleigh Chopper served a useful purpose after all.

Any cycling on pavements, or pedestrianised areas must carry a risk, which should be obvious.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

There you go again automatically laying the blame with no evidence, I'm glad you are not a JP or a judge.


My relative on the bike or this "elderly" woman? Either way I would hope I had more information than a sketchy newspaper report to go on.
Perhaps I would take the same attitude I did when my grandad walked out in front of a number 52 bus, the silly bugger.


Again, you are reading the story and filling in the details yourself. There is nothing in the article to say where the accident occurred.

Have we really come to trial by Daily Mail on this forum?

Only when the accused is a Cyclist

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Each press release contains the same fact. Large Asda store. She was hit close to the exit door.

Duty of care exists regardless. Fact a person is riding a bicycle does not and should not exclude their liablity in law.


I drive a car. I ride a bicycle .. usually rather quickly /. I ;ve been trained to ride this bicycle up and down steps even. (Cor.. tis a wonder I can still satisfy me wife )

But I do not ever delude myself. I can do serious damage if I hit a person at some speed on my bike just as in my car .

I also know that Mad Doc came a cropper when pushed into gas works by a cyclist passng him on a pavement . That occurred only in 2005. He was one lucky dude given where he needed stitches .. He narrowly missed an artery when he fell from the violent shove he got at the time. AND No.. he never ever expected to be shoved like that. No one would

There is one other casualty in the extended family. Andreas's youngest daughter now aged 11 years. She has a permanent limp. As a two year old .. she was toddling with her mother on a shared cycle /ped path in Northern Germany. Maddie was on reins. She toddled into into the cycle lane - just on the white solid line according to her mother. Jenny (her Mum) was pregnant with another child .. seven month stage. It seems the cyclist never eased up or tinkled any bell. Jenny saw his shadow approaching and lunged to protect Maddie. The cyclist hit Maddie first and fell onto Jenny - shoving his elbows into her belly. She lost the baby and almost her own life from internal bleeding. Maddie walks with a permanent limp as a result of all that. The Germans prosecuted him for reckless cycling. He received a shore prison sentence at the time.. under their law.


We thus know from bitter personal experience as a family group just what dangers drivers and cyclists alike pose.

It's why we keep on suggesting COAST and general decent courtesy/manners/education and we strive and succeed as a family group really to get over the hurt and bitter anger .. as we know it consumes and results in waffly "woe is me" mentality instead of moving on and getting on with life without angry harping and desire to blame all for the act of one fool.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

In Gear.

If the lady had been knocked over and injured by a runner would you regard him as equally culpable?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Yes - if the lady had sustained equally serious injuries as a result of his running into her - then CPS could possibly consider charges of "causing actual bodity harm" and even manslaughter if the person was proven to have died as a direct result of the injuries caused by his reckless running into her without so much as glance ahead! not any consideration shown to the victim's presence. The same would apply to a horse rider causing similar .

A civil claim for damages would also be extremely likely in such circumstances.


I gather Radio 2 ' lunchtime prog yesterday had callers claiming supermarket car parks are the most dangerous places to be .. whether in a car/on foot or on bicycle as folk fail to look out properly and drive along as if on a normal main road

Edited cos I cut me finger on darned paper and have "icky thumb as result

these places are car parks. They have cars manoeuvering in and out of bays.. and LOTS of PEOPLE WALKING to and from car to store etc. .. armed with trolleys.. bags.. kids..

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

( the text quoted has been spell checked to remove errors ,pity that errors of judgement ...............).
I would suggest that you read IG's credentials - he is a Trafpol( a rare breed ,becoming almost extinct in the southern regions of this island) , therefore trained to wait for ALL the facts before making a decision .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

(The quoted text has been checked to remove errors of punctuation and grammar)

Because he is trained to do that does not mean he will always behave in the manner in which he has been trained. And in this rare instance he has failed to wait for all the facts before starting this thread.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

DCB - he cannot retaliate or stand up for himself in face of your accusations - from his posts ,I(and many others on here ) will vouch for his integrity - don't push those of us that know and trust him he is revered on here as a paragon of road safety ,and a font of knowledge .Trouble with your sort is that you've not been exposed to the olde world traffic policeman - who looks at safety and advice as his first duty and a ticket as his next /last resort .
I've had the benefit of his breed's advice (as a young newly qualified driver - and it was full of well chosen words ,destined to make me think how I should be driving -it had the desired effect -that's why I back his stance)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Why not? I will repeat - I share your admiration for his integrity, knowledge and commitment to road safety (though not his use of smilies ). But in this one rare instance I insist. that he has theorised ahead of his data.



What "sort" am I that I have managed to avoid exposure to traffic policemen in almost sixty years of cycling and driving? I wouldn't have survived into my teens without the advise and chastisement of the old time copper who is a vanished xpecies

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Hence our requirement to re-introduce well trained traffic police.

Some car parks are not 'public highway' and some are given over to the Council to maintain and run hence some have Council car park charges.

I have been all over the Country and visited many supermarkets and although there is a general feel of similarity each is different. A bit like service station car parks the entrances are all very different and some you have to really hunt for car park directions. I do think a bit more conformity to service stations is needed or at least good clear signs - just to be ore helpful and a bit safer for all.
Mostly speaking I see people take great car when reversing and driving around car parks, but I wonder what the stats are for KSi in car park environments? My estimate would be that it is low, but I'd prefer to have the facts obviously before commenting on this ....

Ensuring that good road layouts are clear in all car parks and good routes for all people or all ages and abilities plus the zebra crossings help too. I do see various other 'road lines' which do cause confusion especially some I know that are near the zebra crossing. So clarity of markings is important too. Someone's concept of new markings is not likely to help but hinder.
I dare say a few extra ' Be courteous / Be aware of all Peds / be observant' signs might help if several near missed are seen or reported. Research would be good ....

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But they are "Public Places" under the RTAs



One would expect it to be almost zero since the traffic speed is usually very low. OTHO many drivers seem to leave their brains at the entrance when they enter a car-park.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown