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Imagine the furore if busybodies said "you cannot own a bungalow, it uses up too much ground, its uneconomical in terms of rooms/square yard". To the mountain bikers " you cannot own a mountain bike , you don.t cycle up/down mountains", to the person with sports car capable of twice the speed limit-- its too fast - it must be governed to 70 mph" ---

The first two have not been heard of , BUT rumours abound of limiting the top speed of cars. Why - because the know alls say they're too fast.
There's an almighty row going on over house arrest as a breach of human rights / civil liberties.

When society tells us what we can and cannot buy/ own because of the wishes of a small minority --- whats the difference.Its the same as the plonkers that tell us that "SPEEDING" causes accidents.
To that minority i say - sod off - find a genuine reason for banning it
UNLESS your just like the yobs who run around vandalising new cars - because you're jelous!!

What I said really shows in comparison how stupid the 'ban4by4' argument REALLY is!

I don't see the point in these huge beasts for school runs and shopping and would never have one but that doesn't mean I would abhor someone else owning one as they pay their taxes like everyone else (well most of us!).

Regards


Andrew

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In effect they do, at least in terms of building new ones. It would be very difficult now to get planning permission to build a bungalow - and a lot of new houses are now three-storey so more can be crammed in.

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This is the kind of attitude the people who want to ban things play on.

They know people get frustrated with 4x4s and use that as a starting point to get support for their crazed ideas.

I used to have the same feelings towards them but would never have gone so far as to say they should be banned from the road.

Now I am beginning to think there should be some kind of national "ride in a 4x4 day" where people are encouraged to travel by agricultural vehicle.

Just remember, if they get their way with 4x4s they won't crawl back in the woodwork and leave the rest of us alone. Next it will be two seaters, or coupe's or faster than average cars, or shiny cars, or anything with wider than 155 tyres.

Now I am beginning to think there should be some kind of national "ride in a 4x4 day" where people are encouraged to travel by agricultural vehicle.




If people were encouraged to travel by agricultural vehicle we would see the pot holes fixed quick sharp. Solid cast, unsprung frames don't have much give in them...

"When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church, and there was nobody left to be concerned." (Pastor Martin Niemoller, 1968)

They've already got the pistol shooters, and the hunters, and have the smokers cornered. Who's next, I wonder?

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Anglers

The motorcyclist hasn't been picked on for a few years, it musy be his (or her) turn again soon

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Don't even joke about it. There has already been a call for it to be banned (cruel sport). Its the same muppets that are doing this. They just go frome one lost cause to anoter to fill in their empty sad lives It makes them feel important.

That what I like about the US.
you can ride without a helmet (most states)
you can go shooting, hunting, fishing
You can ride,drive, fly, sail just about anything you can imagine.
You can get so far away from civilisation that know one cares what you do.

I was in SoCal 3 weeks ago. A friend of mine collects guns. We went out into the desert and did some shooting. AK47, M16, 44 Magnum, Colt45 the lot. It was so much fun. All perfectly legal. It was great to get away from the nanny state feel that we get over here.

So maybe they are screwed up about somethings but the DO know how to make the most out of life.

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While I agree that it should be down to individual choice, I see no problem with the current helmet laws as I firmly believe that you would have to be lacking in cerebral matter to even contemplate riding without one.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Ever ridden in the US? I guess not. On long rides (400miles+) I usualy wear a half shell. Short runs no way. ride free. You should try it. Then maybe you would not jump in to judge so quickly.

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Yes I have ridden without a helmet, and while the sense of freedom is quite nice, I still can't get the nagging thought out of my head that there are simply too many pricks out there in cars that will have me off at the first oppertunity.

And before you say it, it isn't the actual act of coming off that bothers me.....it's what my head would look like after even a 20mph impact that bothers me more.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Cycling forums are discussion mandatory helmets for cyclists. There is evedence these do not make any difference.

In the US helmet law is being withdrawn state by state. They are keeping an eye on statistics to see if it causes an increase in accidents.

There is a lot of evidence that riding without a helmet significanty reduces your chances of being involved in an accident. Factors include better all round visibility and less restriction in head movements so you are more aware of risk factors. From what I understand when helmet law was introduced in theis country the death toll initialy went up.

Just like speed cameras, sometimes the truth is not always obvious. Thats why I always like to keep an open mind in such things.

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Isn't it one of the most dangerous sports to participate in? (by number of deaths/injuries per year)

The recent AA "dangerous roads" figures might give some cause for doing that

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I'm not saying that wearing (or not wearing) a helmet has any bearing on whether or not you will be involved in an accident......what I am saying is that if you are involved in an accident and you are not wearing protective headgear, then your chances of becoming a vegetable are that much higher (that's assuming you live to tell the tale afterwards)

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Has whiplash been taken into account in helmet crashes? I'm not a biker - and were I to become one, whatever the law, I believe I would wear a lightweight helmet. however, the weight of a helmet must increase the chances of a whiplash problem in the event of otherwise noninjurious crashes.

Thats what I was saying.....it does.
Anyhow the point is freedom of choice.
If safety were an issue then bikes would be banned because of the risk.

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helmets don't just protect your head from spills. Bumble bees are like stones when you hit them.