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In the last month we have had two daytime breakins to our rear garden and sheds broken into. Our neibours have has two attempted brake-ins to thier houses.
After getting little response from the local pop-ups
I did a foi request on the force to get the crime stats for the two post codes that cover our road (51 houses)

Hampshire refused the FOI request because they claim it is personal data and they have now rung up stating they willl not do FOI requests on burglary for less than 150 houses because of the fear of crime.

What about our/my wifes fear of finding them in our garden again (she is allways out in the rear garden)?
They are half offering the data outside the FOI system if I withdraw the foi request.
Am I unreasonable asking for crime data for our postcodes? Is that unfair on others in my postcodes? The copper stated once the data is out there its like leaving it on the park bench?

Or is it letting the police off the hook?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Can't you increase the area to more than 150 ,then ask for the data to be broken down into comparitive rates per ( eg street ) post code etc .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

But then -we had a heated piece in our local rag over Warks police being suspected of "leaving out " certain bits of crime info .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Really sorry to ear this I hope you are both doing OK. Horrid thing burglaries makes you feel so very vulnerable and angry.

It is troubling that they are not willing officially to say, but I would get the data that you need even unofficially as that is probably more important to you. Understanding your likelihood of another attack helps us prepare and protect appropriately.
I wonder if the figures are climbing with the recession it would seem logical.
My big dog would put off any burglar ! Do you fancy buying a dog - or a goose !
I suppose cameras and other security devices ... All very sad.

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It is interesting that I posted this here and another forum. Not one person was horrifed that I might put fear of crime into the people living within the post code. The straw poll indicates that the police may be out of step with the public.

The police rung up last night offereing me the info "on the quiet" if I withdraw the FOI request!

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I suppose you could always poll all your neigbours or place an ad in a local paper ?

I think that people hear of local crimes in their local papers, and I can understand that if we looked at all the 'crimes' in a stastical format then maybe I suppose some would be horrified but if we heard about it often then we woudl have a yard stick to judge whether things are better or worse.
I reckon they need to place it up online by postcode, or by street even, then we can slowly learn and understand what our local crimes rates actually are. Plus that way they are not suddenly giving info out - but by looking over the info, going back years, we have the knowledge that we have been 'safe' the last 10 years despite 'X' number of crimes occurring.
Plus, if they were to offer this to you now, you would probably assume that it had been available for a while (well you will probably ask ! but most won't!) and thus give you the belief that it had always been around you had just not previously asked.
By looking back over the years you can see the increase or decrease. We hear of the latest 'crime' figures, but for most people, is it not the personal experience in their local area, or to them directly, that we all 'really' care about ?

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The CRIME FIGURES for every area in the country are HERE

You can navigate around the area you want to get the "news".
You can select crime type etc.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Thanks for the link but it gives the stats for two whole villages. I wanted stats for 1 street of 50 houses. I wanted to know if the 50 houses were being targerted at the same rate as my 5 immediate neigbours

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Think I would definitely go and ask or leave a little 'Calling Query Card' for them to volunteer the info to you directly.

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Safe Speed for Intelligent Road Safety through proper research, experience & guidance.

The have caught one of our thieves. I recon the other got away and is still out there. I am aparrently guilty of trying to raise the fear of crime. I think we have something to fear!

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

This is a standard reply for this sort of data as once given under FoI it is public information freely available to the world. Ask yourself; do you want the crime figures or lack of them on the Internet for thieves to see where they will not be disturbed by Police Officers during the committal of their offences, possibly against you and your wife?

Go to the Police and ask for the information from your local policing team; they will most likely be glad of the contact.

What sort of "hook" do you want the police to be on; I believe you want them to help you.

Stop being an arse and ask!

I wasn't being an arse!. I did ring them up and ask! They refered me round in circles and told me that I couldnt have any info because I wasnt from a police force!

The "community police officers" keep ringing me up telling me they will have some info for me about my one burglry when I have had 2 + the 3 incentds with my neibours properties. The never actially ring up with the info.

I am not stupid . 1 incident , its a one off, 5 incidents is a bloody trend and needs dealing with. What I want/need to know if its 20 incidents and we need a war. You cant get any action without stats.

I am not sure what force you are linked with but hampshie are a bunch of "god calls me gods"

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code