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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 21:39 
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These hacked emails are interesting.
Here's a global scenario:http://www.mediafire.com/file/fzxnkdq1uqk/global.txt

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I note that most comments on Booker's article on the Mail website attack him rather than what he says. A typical ploy of the believers because they have difficulty with the facts.

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That rather neatly encapsulates the intellectual poverty of non scientific commentators such as Booker.


This looks dangerously similar, don't you think?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 09:48 
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Booker isn't a scientist or climateologist is he though? A book by a kind of person that has the climate knowledge, understanding of statistics and is neither dependent on oil money or government money is the only kind that can be neutral.


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I note that most comments on Booker's article on the Mail website attack him rather than what he says. A typical ploy of the believers because they have difficulty with the facts.

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That rather neatly encapsulates the intellectual poverty of non scientific commentators such as Booker.


This looks dangerously similar, don't you think?


Not at all. I was attacking what he said about the Millennium bug; not the man. It is reasonable to conclude that if a man displays crooked thinking on one topic his thinking on another must be suspect. that is not ad hominen. I actually rather admire Booker when he talks about things that he understands.

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Climate change scandal deepens as BBC expert claims he was sent leaked emails six weeks ago
By Carol Driver
Last updated at 11:36 AM on 26th November 2009
Paul Hudson: The regional TV weather forecaster says the emails were a result of one of his articles

The controversy surrounding the global warming e-mail scandal has deepened after a BBC correspondent admitted he was sent the leaked messages more than a month before they were made public.
Paul Hudson, weather presenter and climate change expert, claims the documents allegedly sent between some of the world's leading scientists are of a direct result of an article he wrote.
In his BBC blog three days ago, Hudson said: 'I was forwarded the chain of emails on the 12th October, which are comments from some of the world's leading climate scientists written as a direct result of my article "Whatever Happened To Global Warming".'
That essay, written last month, argued that for the last 11 years there had not been an increase in global temperatures.
It also presented the arguments of sceptics who believe natural cycles control temperature and the counter-arguments of those who think it's man's actions which are warming the planet.

The leaked files - which show 4,000 documents which have allegedly been sent by scientists over the past 13 years - were apparently taken from servers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, which is a world-renowned centre focused on studying climate change.
They were then uploaded on to a Russian server before being published on a blog called Air Vent.
The e-mails apparently show researchers discussing how to 'spin' climate data and how that information should be presented to the media.

In his blog for BBC Look North, Hudson added: 'The e-mails released on the internet as a result of CRU being hacked into are identical to the ones I was forwarded and read at the time and so, as far as l can see, they are authentic.'
He also publishes a link to the messages which global warming sceptics claim provide 'smoking gun' evidence that some scientists talked about manipulated data to support the theory that climate change is being caused by mankind.

'He should quit': Environmental campaigner George Monbiot (left) says Professor Phil Jones, who is at the centre of the scandal, should resign
However, Hudson does not explain why he sat on the controversial information for so long, but added: 'I do intend to write a blog regarding the CRU being hacked into, and the possible implications of this very serious affair.'
The leak comes ahead of inter-governmental talks in Copenhagen next month which campaigners have argued is a last opportunity to prevent irreversible climate change.
Former Chancellor Lord Lawson has called for an inquiry into the scandal, warning the credibility of UK science is at stake.
It comes amid pressure on the professor at the centre of the scandal to quit from his position at the CRU.
In one damning email, he appears to call the death of a climate change sceptic 'cheering news!'.
In other messages, researchers appear to be discussing manipulating data and how to dodge Freedom Of Information requests.
Another shows a climatologist from the U.S. admitting it was a travesty that the lack of global warming in recent years could not be explained.
George Monbiot, a leading environmentalist, said he was convinced the emails were genuine, adding: 'I'm dismayed and deeply shaken.
'There are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad.
'The head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.'

However, Professor Jones yesteday told the Telegraph he stands by his findings.
He called any conspiracy to manipulate climate data to support the theory of man-made global warming 'complete rubbish'.
'The facts speak for themselves, there is no need for anyone to manipulate them,' he added.

When posted on the internet, the emails were accompanied by the anonymous statement: 'We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.
'We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code and documents.
'Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.'

A spokesman for the University of East Anglia said: 'We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites.
'Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all this material is genuine.
'We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and have involved the police in this inquiry.'
Paul Hudson was unavailable for comment.

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Climategate, 13,000,000 hits google search It wont go away :D

Results 1 - 10 of about 13,000,000 for climategate. (0.09 seconds
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damia ... to-notice/

Climategate: The BBC is still pretending not to notice

By Damian Thompson Politics Last updated: November 28th, 2009

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Here’s a blog entry by Robin Horbury from Biased BBC. Most believers in AGW (who I accept include the majority of scientists in this field) acknowledge the significance of the Climategate scandal, breaking as it has on the eve of the Copenhagen summit. But the BBC is holding firm, providing far less than the bare minimum of coverage that licence payers have a right to expect. As Horbury puts it:

So far, the BBC has done virtually nothing about Climategate and, if anything, has cranked up its AGW reporting to fever pitch. This is what Richard Black says on his blog this morning:

As far as I’ve been able to ascertain, climate politics elsewhere remains unimpressed by allegations that the CRU documents undermine the very basis of the forthcoming negotiations; but it’s a question that I will be asking when the Copenhagen talks open.

I don’t where he’s been doing his “ascertaining” (he could try, for simple starters, here, here or here) but such a response … illustrates just how seriously wrong the BBC is on this issue. I will await with interest to hear just how hard he pursues the question he intends to put. But don’t hold your breath. He’ll probably be as tough and persevering as Evan Davis was when he “interviewed” Bob Geldof this morning on Today (that is, he listened admiringly to every word of nonsense he uttered).

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Been following this since it broke.

Youtube has some good news reports from Fox news amongst others and this site has a lot more detail than many others.

You can follow the links at the right of the page for more info.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/b ... -released/

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climate politics elsewhere remains unimpressed by allegations that the CRU documents undermine the very basis of the forthcoming negotiations


That is probably because the allegations aren't actually very impressive.

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Id suggest you actually read the emails and the coders comments before coming to such a conclusion dcb. ;)

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A Bit of Fun! :)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/24/c ... more-13153

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I've read through many of the emails and also the data.
While there does not seem to be a "smoking-gun, there is more than adequate documentation to show a high degree of arrogance coupled with a high degree of intolerance.
That, coupled with the emails that indicate a multi-national approach to avoiding complying with relevant legislation with respect to freedom of information, would lead me to conclude that the people involved are less than honest and open.
The programmers comments are interesting.
It seems from having read through the entire 750K file that the code only provided "acceptable" results when both the code and input data were altered to provide the results. Which begs the question: Acceptable to who.
Not to worry, any problems will be covered up (sorry, sorted out) soon.
Back to biz as usual: Which seems to be fiddling.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/30/crugate_analysis/

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Theres more that that.

Theres the implied threat to subvert the peer review process to prevent sceptical papers being included in the IPCC reports.

Specifically the threat to "redefine what the peer review process is".

Based on that alone you have to ask the question: "How can any of the previous paperwork be believed"?

You cant and its worse, they actually "(to use Phil Jones terminology) "dumped" the raw data when they changed buildings!
Can you believe that the only data left is the stuff theyve altered?
How the heck can anyone make a restudy of the raw, unmolested data now that theyve destroyed it and replaced it with their ( apologies for the word but it is justified) "bastardised" versions?

Smells like a conspiracy to me.

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... and its worse, they actually "(to use Phil Jones terminology) "dumped" the raw data when they changed buildings!
Can you believe that the only data left is the stuff theyve altered?

I just wanted to repeat this critical point in case anyone missed it.

We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.” :lol: :roll:

Who could disagree that the dumping of the raw data (if true, but no one has disputed the contents of the leak) does nothing short of bring their credibility into disrepute?

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It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow in australia. No mention of CRU here :x
Rudd needs the liberal vote, but the liberals are at war with one another
Sky news australia reports,
http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/arti ... ?id=400369
Tony Abbott will throw his hat into the ring for the Liberal leadership, opening the way for a three-way contest against Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey that could tear the party apart.

In yet another day of high drama for the Liberals, Mr Abbott confirmed late on Monday that he would contest the leadership whether or not Mr Hockey was running.

Mr Abbott had previously indicated he would stand aside if Mr Hockey - the preferred consensus candidate - was contesting the leadership.

After a day of meetings around Parliament House, Mr Abbott told reporters he had changed his position because Mr Hockey was negotiating a conscience vote on the contentious emissions trading legislation.

'I think that Joe is doing his best to think his way through these issues and he is trying to come up with his way of helping the party in these difficult times,' he told reporters.

'I just happen not to agree with him.'

If he wins the leadership, Mr Abbott will seek to refer the legislation to a Senate committee that will report next year.

But if the coalition doesn't have the numbers in the Senate for that strategy, Mr Abbott will push for the opposition to reject the legislation.

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This disgusting con trick has been unfolding for a few months now!

Back in August they "claimed" that the raw data was lost, but it was spotted on one of their FTP servers and quickly removed - see Global Warming ate my data!

And back in September it was shown how by carefully selecting just three tree ring core samples (out of 252 taken), the Medieval Warm Period was "conveniently" removed from the (in)famous hokey stick - see Treemometers: A new scientific scandal.

This is worse than criminal, this is global treason :mad:

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This is worse than criminal, this is global treason :mad:

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No, it's global theft.
The iron curtain has gone, long live the global warming curtain.
Anything to establish total control.

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/fallupdate04/MM.short.pdf

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And it's worth reading Clarkson's bit in the Sun on Saturday on this topic .

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu_ok37HDuE&feature=player_embedded# :o

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Good news in Oz (maybe they can see through this nonsense)
New federal Liberal leader Tony Abbott says he is 'humbled and daunted' by what lies ahead for himself and his party.

Mr Abbott says he also feels 'proud and exhilarated' at the prospect of leading the party into a federal election.

But he admitted there were wounds in the party that needed to be healed.

'I have said to my colleagues that I will do my best to be a consultative ... leader,' he told reporters during his first press conference as leader.

'Political parties don't work when people just announce what they're doing and expect everyone else to follow.'

Mr Abbott paid tribute to Malcolm Turnbull, the man he ousted as leader.

'I've known Malcolm for a long time,' he said.

'We have sometime been sparing partners, but we have mostly been friends.'

His respect and admiration for Mr Turnbull had grown 'enormously' during the past few months.

'Malcolm has shone in adversity.'

Mr Abbott said he was not afraid to fight an election on climate change policy.

'And I am not frightened of an election on this issue, I really am not frightened of an election on this issue.'

Mr Abbott said it had been a 'tumultuous week' for the Liberal Party.

'Obliviously it's been a big day for me, it's been a tough day for some of my colleagues,' he said.

'I do feel humbled and daunted by what's ahead.'

The Liberal party room had decided in a secret ballot to seek a deferral of a Senate vote on Labor legislation setting up the carbon pollution reduction scheme and, failing that, vote it down.

'We will seek to refer the legislation to (a Senate) committee for further scrutiny,' Mr Abbott said.

'If in the end we cannot get the support of the crossbenches for that course of action we will oppose the legislation in the Senate this week.'

That was the right thing to do, Mr Abbott said.

'This emissions trading scheme legislation, which is really an energy taxation scheme, does deserve the most rigorous scrutiny by this parliament,' he said.

'We can't just wave that through the parliament.'

Deputy leader Julie Bishop congratulated Mr Abbott on winning the leadership vote.

'He is a personality, a character, a fighter, and I'm honoured to be able to serve as his deputy,' she told reporters.

'As Tony said, we will have a contest at the next election whenever that may be.'

Ms Bishop said there was no need to have the ETS legislation rammed through the parliament ahead of the UN Copenhagen climate summit.

Mr Abbott said the coalition would continue to support the emission reduction targets set by the government.

The government wants to reduce emissions by a minimum five per cent by 2020, with the option of extending it to 25 per cent depending on global outcomes.

'We do want to reduce our emissions and those targets stand,' he said.

'We will have a strong and effective climate change policy, it just won't be this ETS.'
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Goodbye Mr Jones :)
Professor Phil Jones has today announced that he will stand aside as Director of the Climatic Research Unit until the completion of an independent Review resulting from allegations following the hacking and publication of emails from the Unit.

Professor Jones said: “What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director’s role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support.”
Vice-Chancellor Professor Edward Acton said: “I have accepted Professor Jones’s offer to stand aside during this period. It is an important step to ensure that CRU can continue to operate normally and the independent review can conduct its work into the allegations.

“We will announce details of the Independent Review, including its terms of reference, timescale and the chair, within days. I am delighted that Professor Peter Liss, FRS, CBE, will become acting director.”
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