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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 21:08 
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Paranoia ?
"offset your co2 by sponsoring birth control in the third world.
So we consume more by paying for the [much] less well-off to not have babies (disregarding that it means when they're old they'll have nothing (oh sorry....they'll die))
Odious and inhuman.
Talking about odious and inhuman.....but that would be 40% of the 4% due to energy use (with maybe a little of the 1% attached to land-use-change)
This takes us back to the communist and fascist states of past, using the children against the adults.
And this is our government. Paranoid ?
Not paranoid enough I'm afraid, we need more paranoia and more paranoid people.
A ponzi scheme, of global proportions.

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A smoking gun.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/s ... rwin-zero/

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 00:17 
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DeltaF wrote:
A smoking gun.



No.
Just got to be wrong.
Another paranoid.
Kinda makes you wonder just how much you can trust science generally doesn't it.
We have a large doughnut shaped hole in the ground in Europe that they keep throwing money into....the call it the Large Hadron Collider...
LOADSA dosh into the EU black hole....

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Someone up thread said:
"There are strong arguments for and against AGW but to suggest that it is a government scam is paranoia of the worstorder."

Have you heard of The Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg group and the The Council on Foreign Relations?


In his excellent article, Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government, Daniel Taylor outlines how the exploitation of the natural phenomenon of "global warming" was a pet project of the Club of Rome and the CFR.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma ... steria.htm

"In a report titled "The First Global Revolution" (1991) published by the Club of Rome, a globalist think tank, we find the following statement: "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.... All these dangers are caused by human intervention... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

"Richard Haass, the current president of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated in his article "State sovereignty must be altered in globalized era," that a system of world government must be created and sovereignty eliminated in order to fight global warming, as well as terrorism. "Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function," says Haass. "Globalization thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves..."
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How to make money from global warming ?
Paranoia ?

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/money-for-old-carbon.html

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article6945991.ece

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 13:33 
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Here's a photo taken from another BBC AGW article:

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Look at all that CO2 that's choking up the ground, what nasty stuff it must be - well it must be CO2 otherwise they wouldn't have used that photo for their article concerning CO2 - right?

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The met office and the bbc.
Both funded by the government.
Both after more funding, so they are SO not going to be sceptic.
And when (if) the temperature does NOT go to what they SAY it will go to in 2018[ish], will they back down ?
Or just proceed on another grab-the-cash-for-more-climate-research/licence fee begging spree ?
And they STILL have not bothered to say why 5% of the atmospheric CO2 is responsible for the "warming" (leaving out the "unknown forcing").
It's easier to say "if it's unknown why not assume that it does not exist and proceed from there"
But there's no money that way.....
I feel that science (at least the climate part of it) is institutionally corrupt now, and we can all proceed from there...

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``Well the MET office are begining to panic now,
The Met Office has embarked on an urgent exercise to bolster the reputation of climate-change science after the furore over stolen e-mails.

More than 1,700 scientists have agreed to sign a statement defending the “professional integrity” of global warming research. They were responding to a round-robin request from the Met Office, which has spent four days collecting signatures. The initiative is a sign of how worried it is that e-mails stolen from the University of East Anglia are fuelling scepticism about man-made global warming at a critical moment in talks on carbon emissions.

One scientist said that he felt under pressure to sign the circular or risk losing work. The Met Office admitted that many of the signatories did not work on climate change.

John Hirst, the Met Office chief executive, and Julia Slingo, its chief scientist, wrote to 70 colleagues on Sunday asking them to sign “to defend our profession against this unprecedented attack to discredit us and the science of climate change”. They asked them to forward the petition to colleagues to generate support “for a simple statement that we . . . have the utmost confidence in the science base that underpins the evidence for global warming”.

Met Office reports on temperature changes draw on the work of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, from which the e-mails were hacked. Phil Jones, unit director, has agreed to stand down while an investigation takes place into claims that he manipulated data to exaggerate the warming trend and tried to block publication of alternative views.

One scientist told The Times he felt under pressure to sign. “The Met Office is a major employer of scientists and has long had a policy of only appointing and working with those who subscribe to their views on man-made global warming,” he said.

Professor Slingo denied that the Met Office had put anyone under pressure. “The response has been absolutely spontaneous. As a scientist you sign things you agree with, not because you are worried about what the Met Office might think of you,” she said.

The 1,700 signatories, a fraction of the research scientists working in Britain, include Sir John Houghton, former chairman of the science working group of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Sir Brian Hoskins, head of the Grantham Institute at Imperial College, and Professor Lord Hunt of Chesterton, a climate scientist at University College London.

Professor Slingo said the statement was carefully worded to avoid claiming all climate scientists were beyond reproach. It says the evidence for man-made global warming is “deep and extensive” and comes from “decades of painstaking and meticulous research by many thousands of scientists across the world who adhere to the highest levels of professional integrity”.

Benny Peiser, of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, which claims man-made climate change has been exaggerated, said the petition showed that the Met Office was rattled.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 951029.ece

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The wonderful thing about Climate Research is that it is so universal. It does not matter what you want to believe, there will be something in the data or some way of interpreting it which backs your prejudice :D

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:17 
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dcbwhaley wrote:
The wonderful thing about Climate Research is that it is so universal. It does not matter what you want to believe, there will be something in the data or some way of interpreting it which backs your prejudice :D

Maybe that's they the climate modellers don't release their raw data and climate models: they don't want an 'interpretation' that conflicts with their own.

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Steve wrote:
dcbwhaley wrote:
The wonderful thing about Climate Research is that it is so universal. It does not matter what you want to believe, there will be something in the data or some way of interpreting it which backs your prejudice :D

Maybe that's they the climate modellers don't release their raw data and climate models: they don't want an 'interpretation' that conflicts with their own.


Don't think so. Even the massaged data is sufficiently ambiguous to support everyones preconceived notions
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This article has it about right.
Democracy has failed the greens, so go to plan two.............

And for those living near windfarms !

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 13:43 
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Soot has been introduced into the mix.

Now I have to say this effect seemingly doesn't fall foul of the obvious confounding (historical) factors.

What do others think of this?

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Global warming holed below the waterline.

Daily express front page: "100 reasons why climate change is natural".

Oops, another wheel comes off the AGW bandwagon. :D

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DeltaF wrote:
Global warming holed below the waterline.

Daily express front page: "100 reasons why climate change is natural".

Oops, another wheel comes off the AGW bandwagon. :D


But it does not make any difference.
Global warming/no global warming.
The theme is being used to effect massive social change, and irrespective of what anyone thinks, it will go ahead.
One wheel comes off, another wheel is put on....

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And - shades of Ling here - why are virtually all climate "sceptics" men?

:scratchchin:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 20:11 
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PeterE wrote:

I don't wish to be sexist (hey, I love to love women :twisted: ) but I could highlight the gender ratio of eminent scientists and philosophers over the years (resulting from cultural pressures I might add, not because of abilities or potentials) - I wrote that before reading comment number 3 :D
Practically all engineers I know are male.

Even more telling would be the ratio of those who have signed up to the IPCC 'consensus'....
If I may borrow from comment 6:
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In the IPCC main report there are ten chapters each with two lead authors. Of these 20 lead authors, only one is female.

I bet most of those commentards are male too ;)

Maybe the propaganda pushing the pro-arguments are more emotive (than scientific) and hence appealing to women? (just look at those TV adverts)

or, maybe women have better things to be getting on with :D

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I see GOS is not liking climate negotiations
Or greenpieces apparently.

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Man, It's sure nice to hear Deltaf again..............I don't always agree but!................... :)


EDIT: Yep! ................. try your best to find: "Epic of Black Gold" - programme 5". It's been deleted world wide on the internet and TV. If you can find it....post it! It explains the reasons for the: "Global Warming Scare"! (Origionally it was a french series about the history and future of the oil industry). Scary!..


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Global warming cobblers?

Global warming / Climate change is the biggest load of cobblers since sliced bread**.
Global warming / Climate change is a scam by The Masters to futher tax the slaves
[i.e. You]
The science has been faked [just as the Swine Flu is faked***] to bring in the
United Nations - New World Order agenda.

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Sliced white bread is not good for you.

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