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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 18:11 
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Countdown traffic light could end road rage, claims designer
By Claire Bates
Last updated at 11:19 AM on 17th December 2009
Drivers who are fed up of the endless delays at red traffic lights will be pleased to hear of an innovative design that tells you how long you have to wait.
The Eko Traffic Light has a circular progress bar on the red light that works in a similar way to the clock on the popular TV show Countdown.
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The Eko traffic light shows drivers how long they have to wait using a circular progress bar

Designer Damjan Stankovic told the Mail online:'This counter would divide the time spent at traffic lights with a number of segments and then slowly turn them off one by one. It is possible to change the length of time in the same way as it is altered on current traffic lights.'
Mr Stankovic claimed the device would reduce stress felt by drivers and could even help the environment.
He said: 'Since you know exactly how long you have to wait you can sit back and clear your head for a while. No need to keep your foot on the gas. Relax.'
He added: 'When you think about it, you don't need this information counted in seconds, you just need to see the speed of the progress bar to give you an estimate of the time.'
The outer rim of the traffic light turns from red to black in a clockwise direction
Mr Stankovic said drivers could also turn off their engines while waiting for the green light and that the design may also make driving safer.
'With the Eko light both drivers and pedestrians can be fully aware of how much time they have left before the light changes and that way reduce the chance for potential traffic accident,' he said.
For that reason he decided only to include a counter for the red light as the green light might encourage people to start off too quickly.
The Serbian designer said the Eko can be easily installed onto existing traffic light systems that have a bigger red light.
He spent three years developing initial sketches into a prototype that was a winner at this year's Red Dot design awards.

He said the prototype would need a few more tweaks before it is ready for the roads but he was in negotiations with a few manufacturers. Similar versions are already operational in Ukraine, Thailand and Brazil.
His other designs include an electric wall socket that springs out of the wall when pressed and a drinking glass with a mosaic design that only reveals a hidden message when filled with liquid.


I think this is a wonderful idea. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 21:30 
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I like the idea as it would take some frustration out of guessing how long you are going to have to wait with all lights on red including the pedestrian crossings.

Currently lights for the other directions are often shrouded to try and prevent drivers from predicting when they are going to change so it seems unlikely these would be adopted here.

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I give it a cautious welcome! I'd be a bit concerned that they might have to use them in conjunction with more red light cameras, in that I can see a potential temptation for someone in a hurry to not QUITE wait until green! I don't quite follow the logic of not having one on the green light - surely when the red bar is gone, you know it's about to go green?

Also wondering whether we might see a few more rear-end shunts as the approaching motorist can see that the red is about to end and the car waiting doesn't move off quite as quickly as expected!


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I can see the installation of yet more traffic control lights thanks to this invention (not that the invention itself is a bad thing); we have more than enough full-time lights already.

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I see this as not just replacing a few, but as a means to add many more whilst managing people's expectations - that is, not losing too much public support while still raking it in.
I can hear it now: "Yes there are more traffic lights, and they'll have cameras, but now you know when they are going to turn, so you should be happy!" :(

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I can appreciate it may encourage a few to zoom off as it ends and the danger of using the red ending as 'go'.
It would not be needed on every traffic light system and would obviously be expensive to replace otherwise working systems.
Initial use on a few to trail is expected initially but there is no agreement even for this yet that I can find !

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I notice so many drivers round our way only engage first gear WHEN the green light shows, I was taught to select a gear on the amber...so many don't pull away til the lights have turned green for a second or two...if this system helps speed up these types of driver then it is a good thing but i wonder if new drivers are being taught these (bad) habits of not selecting first gear until the lights turn green???

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Interesting. I have noticed people leaving lights slowly too so you maybe right, although I think many become bored waiting and so become distracted, waiting for the lights to change.
This over-waiting at lights, needs to be altered - traffic must be allowed to flow. It causes frustration and is bad for the economics too.
they may hope that many will be forced out of their cars but I think they are failing to recognise just how much reliance there is on cars/vehicles.
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There would be no point in attaching these to most traffic signals in the UK as most of them operate by detectors rather than running to fixed times.


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There would be no point in attaching these to most traffic signals in the UK as most of them operate by detectors rather than running to fixed times.

I disagree - the vast majority around here seem to run to fixed times. I live close to M60 Junction 1, and the lights on the roundabout there can hold you up for a long time even if there's nothing coming in the conflicting direction.

The idea that traffic lights are "demand-responsive" is, in my view, largely a myth.

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The idea that traffic lights are "demand-responsive" is, in my view, largely a myth.


They used to be but over the last decade more and more seem to have become timed. This is very evident when an accident or road working causes a big shift in the traffic pattern.

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I agree. The days when traffic lights were used to "assist" the motorist or the flow of traffic have LONG gone.

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I notice so many drivers round our way only engage first gear WHEN the green light shows, I was taught to select a gear on the amber...so many don't pull away til the lights have turned green for a second or two...if this system helps speed up these types of driver then it is a good thing but i wonder if new drivers are being taught these (bad) habits of not selecting first gear until the lights turn green???

:clap:

Sort of got left out when the emphasis was on passing ,as oppossed to LEARNING to drive . :D, So that the driving schools( NOW COMES A DIRTY WORD ) stats could prove which one had the best pass rate .

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The easiest solution would be to make the red light mean "give way", that way the councils can't use traffic lights to restrict our freedom as they are doing.

I believe a lot of traffic signal controllers have sensors. I know most of the ones around poole do, like the one at the end of turlin moor, you can approach that, it'll be on red, and as long as there's nothing else around it'll be green as you cross the line.
However there are also timings, and if there's vehicles triggering all the sensors (rush hour?) then I guess it is as good as there being none. Then there's the systems of connecting the lights together, in the theory that congestion can be 'eased' by moving congestion from one place to another. I don't get that, but it introduces more timings at a junction for conditions elsewhere.
One big problem, which you can also see in poole, is sensor faults. From what I've read (and it makes sense) if a sensor fault is detected then the controller will assume there is always a vehicle/vehicles waiting wherever that sensor is pointing, even if there actually isn't. So all that is left is timings. I remember seeing this in hamworthy, all night the lights would keep changing to green for one side road! That's been fixed now and it doesn't change unless there's a vehicle on that side road.

So in the most complicated system the progress bar could jump around quite a lot both up and down, and in rest-on-red situations it would quickly go from infinity to 2 seconds as you approach (red+amber).

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The easiest solution would be to make the red light mean "give way", that way the councils can't use traffic lights to restrict our freedom as they are doing.

I believe a lot of traffic signal controllers have sensors. I know most of the ones around poole do, like the one at the end of turlin moor, you can approach that, it'll be on red, and as long as there's nothing else around it'll be green as you cross the line.
However there are also timings, and if there's vehicles triggering all the sensors (rush hour?) then I guess it is as good as there being none. Then there's the systems of connecting the lights together, in the theory that congestion can be 'eased' by moving congestion from one place to another. I don't get that, but it introduces more timings at a junction for conditions elsewhere.
One big problem, which you can also see in poole, is sensor faults. From what I've read (and it makes sense) if a sensor fault is detected then the controller will assume there is always a vehicle/vehicles waiting wherever that sensor is pointing, even if there actually isn't. So all that is left is timings. I remember seeing this in hamworthy, all night the lights would keep changing to green for one side road! That's been fixed now and it doesn't change unless there's a vehicle on that side road.

So in the most complicated system the progress bar could jump around quite a lot both up and down, and in rest-on-red situations it would quickly go from infinity to 2 seconds as you approach (red+amber).
So the council want to restrict our freedom, but fix faulty sensors on traffic lights? :?


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So the council want to restrict our freedom, but fix faulty sensors on traffic lights? :?

Because I pointed it out. It had been faulty for at least a few weeks. I don't know which traffic light controller was in use but I believe it is fairly common for them to log detected faults, and if they have a phone line connection to report them that way. So the council didn't look, or didn't see.

Try driving around poole for a few hours at night and tell me that traffic lights aren't being used to restrict our freedom.

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From work that Martin Cassini has done in London it appeared that lights were timed to delay traffic.
These deliberately long red light delays contribute to stop traffic flow and significantly to congestion. As to why this is happening is open for debate and more evidence is required to be certain.

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From work that Martin Cassini has done in London it appeared that lights were timed to delay traffic.
These deliberately long red light delays contribute to stop traffic flow and significantly to congestion. As to why this is happening is open for debate and more evidence is required to be certain.


Read one very tongue in cheek report that posed the question could this could be to make congestion charging work ?,by removing the delay after charging came in . :D

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I agree. The days when traffic lights were used to "assist" the motorist or the flow of traffic have LONG gone.

Not so. There is one only set in our village/town and they are three-way. When traffic is light, they'll all be on red and change as a car approaches. I've even approached them as they've turned to red then turned back to green so that I didn't have to stop.

Just shows that it can be done.


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Not so. There is one only set in our village/town and they are three-way. When traffic is light, they'll all be on red and change as a car approaches. I've even approached them as they've turned to red then turned back to green so that I didn't have to stop.

Just shows that it can be done.

Oh yes, I've seen a couple of these in poole even, but there are a lot of junctions which just waste our lives. Signalised roundabouts especially, if they have any detection it certainly doesn't work. And I'm talking about driving around at night where there's nothing else around.

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