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 Post subject: French Cameras
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 00:46 
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I have received this contribution .... be aware and forearmed ! ...

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I just got flashed in France for 45EURO [£41] for doing 99kph in a 90kph limit. Like one motorist in three in France each year. In France the Government abolished what in Britain is called is called the Tax Disc, and introduced fixed speed cameras. The way that police
with cameras hide behind autoroute crash barriers and install fixed cameras that seem unrelated to accident black-spots has led people to
feel that the police have ever-rising quotas for fines. You may be surprised to hear this is denied by the authorities.

A bit of research revealed the kind of camera that did for me, installed a little beyond a known fixed camera[!]
http://www.radars-mobiles.fr/connaitre/radar-mesta-1000-1200-2000.php
As a warning to anyone driving in France, here's a picture of a French policemen hidden in the back of a motorway maintenance transit van,
operating a speed camera in some road works in the fast lane of a dual carriageway. The picture might have been altered on a computer or it
might have been of a surveyor in a policeman's uniform but no safety jacket using a theodolite. What do you think?
http://www.controleradar.org/radar-ddea

But more interestingly the margin of error built into the camera readings has recently been reduced. Previously the first 5kmh of speeding was ignored [5% above 100kmh.] Now the first 3kmh [3% above 100kmh] is ignored. This means people can now get caught for going two and a half mph over the limit in a built-up area. The Government has kindly confirmed this has nothing to do with raising Government income, it's
just that the camera are getting more accurate. My comment: So that's all right then.
http://www.controleradar.org/tolerance-radars-automatiqueshttp://www.controleradar.org/tolerance-radars-automatiques

and "In 2009, income from speed cameras will rise to 550 millions euros", said Hervé Mariton, in a report to Government on transport financing. "A rise is anticipated", he said, "of 23% compared to 2008 because of the increasing number of installations, which should rise from 2.300 last year to 4.500 by 2012."

He revealed another significant point: "each camera produces less". In other words on average each camera produces less money each year. So the loss per camera is compensated for by the increase in their numbers.

"Since 2007, the reduction per installation has fallen by 17%", he confirmed. "If this reduction continues, from 2017 the income from fines will no longer cover the continually increasing cost of maintaining them." he said.

"If the financial implications of this can be considered a worry for the state, it's also a good way to show the effectiveness of reducing speeds on our roads. It would be unnecessary, having made us more respectful of the speed limits, to cover the costs of installing cameras at any price, by bludgeoning road users with fines." etc
http://www.controleradar.org/revenus-radars-2009

The translations are my own and should be fairly accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: French Cameras
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:18 
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Ach! We warn about this last summer when it come to light. (I think I posted in Member lounge first but forgot to put in public domain for general discussions :bunker:

French are tightening up ... but they still do not have as many cams as here.

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 Post subject: Re: French Cameras
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 16:31 
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Just come back from a 5 day trip into Brittany via Le Havre, and I have to say that on those routes, the cameras are well placed near obvious hazards, and with plenty of warning.

However, one obvious difference was that when road works forced the closure of one lane, we were not reduced to a ridiculously low limit - and a number of huge flashing light arrays of arrows, indicated exactly where the workforce were working - behind a substantial temporary barrier!

Consequently there was no hold up, no panic breaking for a low limit, and drivers were not bunched up doing 50 mph 25 feet apart!

The picture of the camera in the back of the roadworks van is an obvious police reaction to any drivers who feel the need to exceed the limit in the road works, and of course will be gone when the workmen are away home for the night.
Such operations ALWAYS result in drivers being pulled off the road immediately, and given a lengthy lecture with their ticket, explaining why they needed to slow down.

Things may be different in other regions, but on the whole, I have no complaints about the way the French use the cameras I have encountered there.

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 Post subject: Re: French Cameras
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I read in one paper some while back that a solicitor in France was requesting all those with speeding tickets from cameras get in contact with him so that he could contest them all together in court so that the system would be clogged up. I have not read anything since so cannot comment any more on the subject. You never know what the Frogs may do in the future when they get fed up with the ruddy things. You know what they're like for strikes etc. OLLIE


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ollie wrote:
You never know what the [French]* may do in the future when they get fed up with the ruddy things. You know what they're like for strikes etc.
I hope you mean in a good way Ollie? They've got the backbone we used to have. Remember the petrol protests years ago followed by our dweebish echo? :roll:

*Slight edit by me ;)

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 Post subject: Re: French Cameras
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 15:03 
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(wisely edited I think)
Yep the French do manage to state what they think and remind the Politicians that they only rule by majority.
They had car/road tax taken away and I suppose an incentive - we are told we will remove humps (that damage cars and should not be there in the first place) and have cameras instead !
I do think good that we are here reminding the Gov that cameras are not all that they are cracked up to be ! :lol:

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