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The Met Office conspicuously failed to forecast the heavy snowfall we had in the North-West in the early hours of Saturday, and the even heavier fall we had overnight last night. Even when I went to bed last night the website was still only showing "snow showers"

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Unfortunately local councils believed them and ordered less salt.
Part-time meteorologists got it right. The 170 million super-duper-climate-change-forecaster got it wrong. Again.
Too much social-order-changing I think.
Maybe the MetOff should be run by someone who is neutral as far as changing the social fabric of society is concerned.
Pigs May Fly.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

For f**ks sake stop confusing climate and weather. It was the weather forecasters who got it wrong not the climate change forecasters who got it wrong. And, yes, 50% of part time meteorologists got it right - though I expect that the irony of that escapes you.

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True, but it's funny how climate change is not at the fore front of the news when the whole of the northern hemisphere is having the coldest winter for years. -34F in Iowa

Not surprising (which, I take it, is what you mean by "funny" as i see little of humour in your statement) at all. There is limited space in a newspaper and they are bound to give priority to pressing current events over speculation about the future.

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Unlike the Mystic Met-Ofiice someone is actually getting it right.
http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.a ... t2&fsize=0
No Fancy X-boxes here

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There would be plenty of room in the papers if it was the heat people were dying from and not the cold

If only the climate change proponents would also stop confusing climate with weather they'd stop banging on about a few hot days. Boots on the other foot and now the AGW crowd are moaning that the skeptics are pointing to the snow. Having the last 100 years a bit hotter than before isn't a gnat's fart in a tornado worth of significance frankly.

The only local temperature data I know of that has been taken from an open grassy location rather than a built up one has inconveniently disappeared. Went back over 50 years too.

Which isn't significantly better than prediction based on what the weather was like the day before ..... or simply tossing a coin

There was never any confusion between weather and climate - only one of these has more direct data and reoccurring patterns to work with.
Face it, short-term weather is a lot easier to predict than long-term climate.

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I listen to the weather quite closely as my day to day work depends on it (not at this time of year though, and I'm on holiday anyway) and from what I can see, everything has been rather well forecast.

I noticed an article today that said down to -17 degrees as the lowest but we have seen -22 degrees and we are not in the hills !
Plus we had 4 weeks of ice 2 yrs ago and a bad period in 05/06 and then about '93 we had a foot of snow that went on for about 2 weeks and we regularly have been cut off from Inverness.

Yes the climate weather patterns vary, but warming due to human input, no. I think the changes are a natural 'warming' as we continue to move away from the ice age, which we are still in.
Should we do 'sensible' things yes, but because they are sensible, but not most of the nonsense being landed on the public. Not in my personal opinion anyway. I am very concerned it is another way to force compliance and extract ever more funds off the public.

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I couldn't have said it better, except to say that the change of chosen wording from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" saying that "fluctuations will occur", (in an attempt to divert criticism) now poses the question that: If the Globe is now "changing" rather than "warming" (and God knows....the weather by nature always changes!) then the massive expansion of the oceans caused by rising global temperatures will not happen, as in this year 2009: Europe, America, China, Australia...etc etc etc have ALL been colder than usual!

I'm sorry I still think that it's a Con! The global capitalists want to extend their operations into the cheaper labour markets of the 3rd world in order to increase profits. We're even having oil wars to bring so called; "Democracy" to them (safety for the international capitalist you see) To industrialise these places they need fuel.......OIL. With a limited global output of oil, that means that if the 3rd world are to take more(and they are already)........YOU will have to take less! Supply and Demand! The "old world will have to take a hit" hence they want you to buy a smaller car, pay more tax, go by bus, buy a bike, go green, walk to work to make you healthy, take a pay cut, have millions on the dole! Oh! and by the way, if you manage to escape all that! You Bastard! You're killing the planet you are! YOU should feel guilty you car driving swine! What about your grandchildren then?.......it just goes on and on. And I haven't even mentioned the speed camera war yet!

I wish I was between 15 and 20 yrs old right now, I would be right down to the bookies with as much money as I could muster to fix a date as to when they admit that " Global warming was either just "wrong" or total "Bollox". At some time in the future....it just HAS to come.

P.S. Did anyone else notice the News item on the TV about the plight of the Falkland Penguins over the Christmas break?..... Yes, I thought, ....Wait a minute ,that's the southern hemisphere! It's bloody mid summers day there!.......no wonder it's warm!

Please excuse my rant everyone, but it's all heartily felt........and if they don't stop this rubbish soon, I'm going to live on Rockall, buy a 6ltr V12, build a race track around it with tunnels to extend the lap and race around it every day at whatever speed I like.

It is vety much worse than a prediction based on the previous days weather



"Part-time meteorologists got it right. The 170 million super-duper-climate-change-forecaster got it wrong." seems to iindicate some such confusion. But, in fairness, that isn't the only thing about which jomouk is confused

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Irony never escapes me, nor does sarcasm.
Quite simply the WEATHER forecasters are only right some of the time...and not by much more than blind chance.
Flipping a coin does almost as well.
In winter you get cold weather and snow.
The CLIMATE change forecasters are also doing as well as the WEATHER forecasters.....flipping the same coin.
From an ice age you go to somewhat warmer climate....then back to an ice age. Which is what this globe SHOULD be in now.
And I'll say this again, just in case it got missed:
Politicians and other "public servants" lie through their teeth to get what they want.



http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-346604/We-know-going-rain-just-dont-know-when.html

But not to worry. Our rulers only want the best....but probably not for us.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Oh I very much disagree with you there. You only have to consider the durations of patterns we've had to realise that.
Do we ever have multiple-day spells of sunny, cloudy, or rainy weather, or do we always have a significant change each and every day? The answer is obvious.





None of that detracts from my earlier reasoning that weather is easier to predict than climate.

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Yes, Claire, but if it doesn't happen sarf of the Watford Gap it's not newsworthy.

Not to me - pray enlighten me.

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Do we rarely have consecutive days of sunshine, cloud or rain?

Regardless, again: that doesn't detract from my earlier reasoning that weather is easier to predict than climate; if you disagree can you explain why

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In general it is easier to extrapolate a long term trend than to follow short term variations. Whilst I will concede that there may be insufficient understanding of the factors involved to make an accurate climate predications, I insist that it is completely impossible to forecast the weather one month in advance. Which means that ,at worst, weather forecasting is just as bad as climate prediction.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Genuine question alert.

In Copenhagen our masters were trying to agree on a limit of a 2 degree increase (ignore the AGW arguements)

Yesterday John Hammond said that the normal temperature for this week would be +7C. For the last week the day time maximum around here has been about 1C, so up to 6C colder than normal. But life is going on.

How is the average temperature calculated? How will the cold spell we are having affect 2010's average temperature?