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Ashley Cole banned from driving for doing more than 100mph in a 50mph zone
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Last updated at 4:07 PM on 29th January 2010
England footballer Ashley Cole was today banned from driving for doing more than 100mph in a 50mph zone.
The Chelsea star claimed he was being chased by paparazzi when a speed gun recorded him driving his black Lamborghini Gallardo at 104mph.
Magistrates at Kingston today imposed a four-month ban and £1,000 fine.
His defence barrister asked for 21 days to pay, which magistrates laughed at but granted.
However, Cole's legal team immediately launched a bid against the ban which will be considered later.
Ashley Cole, seen here with Cheryl in December, has been banned from driving for four months
Cole, who is married to singer and presenter Cheryl Cole, was on the A3 in Kingston, Surrey, when he was clocked speeding.
Despite denying the charge, he was convicted at an earlier hearing.
Today chairwoman Patricia Baskerville said: 'We have taken into account Mr Cole's clean licence however this was an incident of excessive speed, over twice the speed limit on the road and these were exceptional circumstances which we need to mark.
'For the offence of speeding, Mr Cole will be disqualified for a period of four months and will pay a fine of £1,000.'
He was also ordered to pay a £15 victim surcharge and £300 costs to reflect his income and the seriousness of the offence.
Cole, who was not present, was warned if he did drive while disqualified, he could face prison.
Cole's lawyer Katherine Hodson said her client was 'regrettably' unable to attend the hearing because he was playing a match tomorrow night and would be travelling today.
An attempt by her to get sentencing adjourned was rejected.

Cole was driving a black Lamborghini Gallardo when he was clocked driving at over 100mph. The footballer told police he thought he was driving at 80mph.
At the earlier hearing, Richard Lomax, prosecuting, described the events of November 17 2008.
He said: 'The defendant was stopped and spoken to and the words he said at the time, when it became plain that somebody was pointing a speed camera at him, were "Can't you do anything about those idiots who keep chasing me?".'
Cole told police he thought he was driving at 80mph when he was stopped just after midday.
Mr Lomax said: 'The Crown says there can be no other sensible construction of the words uttered by Mr Cole at the time than that he was conceding he was driving at a speed more than 50mph.
'It is plain that he found the attention of persons with cameras unwelcome and he was trying to get away from them.
'The only sensible inference, therefore, is that he was going too quickly.'

He added: 'It cannot be a defence to the offence of speeding that one is trying to get away in the circumstances of members of the press showing excessive attention.'
Traffic officer John Wills, of Surrey Police, who was carrying out speed checks on Robin Hood Way that day, said he noticed Cole's car because 'it seemed to be travelling considerably faster' than any other vehicle.
PC Wills and a colleague got into a police car after recording his speed and Cole pulled over in a nearby bus stop.
Cole was asked to get out of the car by PC Wills, who told the court: 'I asked him if he knew what the speed limit was on that stretch of road, and he replied 50.
'Then I asked him what speed he was doing, and he said 80mph. I pointed out he was doing considerably more than that and showed him the laser device.'
The officer said that after being cautioned, Cole complained about photographers.
PC Wills said: 'He pointed out that there was a man with a camera some distance further down the road.
'I saw him (the photographer) at that time, but I had no idea when he turned up. He was certainly not in evidence when I first saw the Lamborghini.'
The 29-year-old, of Godalming, Surrey, did not attend court for his trial earlier this month.


When a speed limit becomes a measure of 'safety' the public cannot take the disproportionate offences dished out with much credibility.
These type of cases can devalue the whole point system, as he may have been driving safely on a road that might have been a 3 lane carriageway where 70mph used to be the assigned speed. (Note that I cannot be sure until further information is forthcoming).
It might be too that he was driving dangerously or without due care.
If he feared for his safety I wonder why he failed to place a call to the Police ? Feared the Police might not respond ?

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He was driving on a 3-lane road, at noon, on a Monday.

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If he feared for his safety I wonder why he failed to place a call to the Police ? Feared the Police might not respond ?

When someone thinks of the reason after the event it would be difficult to call after the event also.

Not that it happened here but I am sure it has from time-to-time


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The Chelsea star claimed he was being chased by paparazzi when a speed gun recorded him driving his black Lamborghini Gallardo at 104mph.

An excuse that has been used more successfully in the past by David Beckham:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1160481.stm

Surely the likes of Ashley Cole are sufficiently wealthy that they can afford to employ a chauffeur for any routine A-B journeys.

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Surely the likes of Ashley Cole are sufficiently wealthy that they can afford to employ a chauffeur for any routine A-B journeys.

Apparently not: Banned Cole Wants Time To Pay £1K Speed Fine :lol: :shock:

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as he may have been driving safely on a road that might have been a 3 lane carriageway where 70mph used to be the assigned speed



There are parts of the A3 that have "warning pedestrians crossing" signs on it.

How are pedestrians supposed to work out when to cross if people driving cars use such a wide range of speeds?

And can we stop asserting that driving at 100mph, or 70mph, or 50mph is ever safe? It's an incredible speed to propel a one-two tonne vehicle at, if anything untoward happens it's highly likely there will be serious injury or death involved.

If 100mph was the standard speed down there there would be a much higher rate of incidents.


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There are parts of the A3 that have "warning pedestrians crossing" signs on it.

Are there any parts that are dual carriageway with a speed limit of 50 mph or above that have such signs?

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And can we stop asserting that driving at 100mph, or 70mph, or 50mph is ever safe? It's an incredible speed to propel a one-two tonne vehicle at, if anything untoward happens it's highly likely there will be serious injury or death involved.

Ah, so we need to bring back the red flag law, do we?

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PeterE wrote:
Are there any parts that are dual carriageway with a speed limit of 50 mph or above that have such signs?


I certainly remember it that way.

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Ah, so we need to bring back the red flag law, do we?


Why?

I regulary drive at 50, 60 and 70mph on such roads.

But I wouldn't describe it as safe to do such speeds, assumption being the mother of all cockups and all.


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How are pedestrians supposed to work out when to cross if people driving cars use such a wide range of speeds?

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Conversley - how are vehicle road users ( two wheeled ,powered or not /four wheeled ) expected to know when some hari kari pedestrian ,who seems to assume they have right of way will decide to ASSUME that vehicles can ,and do stop in 1.5mm .It's not just on this sort of road - I see it regularly in towns - with or without the obligatory mobile stuffed in ear ,they consider that they are invoncible .
It's high time that this country brought in some Euro laws WRT pedestrians - the French don't put up with it ,now why should we ??But then if they had the same level of P**taking from pedestrians- there'd be two options - mow them down ,or put up roadblocks .
The road ( that black bit of tarmac ) recieves a lot of money from the motoring public ( and a high percentage of it never finds it's way back)
-yet we get constantly bleated by p**taking pedestrians ,who at best only pay some shrunk payment ( known as council tax),toward roads/pavements etc .I'd suggest if they don't like the deal ,we introduce a pedestrian pavement tax ,with VRN on foreheads ,where non payers get put into the pound ,policed by a system like ANPR.

Time ,Methinks For The Pedestrians To Shut Up ,Or Put In Some Cash,Like a pay as you walk scheme ,or cyclists to pay per mile . :D :D
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weepej wrote:
There are parts of the A3 that have "warning pedestrians crossing" signs on it.

How are pedestrians supposed to work out when to cross if people driving cars use such a wide range of speeds?

This is correct (70mph DC) and what you say is valid. A road is a shared space and all road users must be predictable. However, safety would be far better served by having over/underpasses to allowing reasonable speeds (and greater respect for law, etc). I know you don't like these (just as you don't like any speed above 0) but other people do and it is the solution giving greatest overall safety.

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And can we stop asserting that driving at 100mph, or 70mph, or 50mph is ever safe?

:o
Weepej, do you remember me asking you this question over and over again: what is safe enough?...

weepej wrote:
It's an incredible speed to propel a one-two tonne vehicle at

I think you're on your own there. Try driving in Germany for a while :lol:
I've cycled faster than 50mph :angel:

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, if anything untoward happens it's highly likely there will be serious injury or death involved.

Yet the roads with the highest speed limit, and the least rate of compliance of them, are the safest :scratchchin:
Now I'm sure we both know one of the critical factors that enable this high level of safety, do you want to go there...... :D

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If 100mph was the standard speed down there there would be a much higher rate of incidents.

Only when considering that one effect in isolation, which isn't the case in the real would.
Many more folk may well decide to use appropriate crossing facilities.
Then there is the benefit of reduced driver fatigue.

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Are there any parts that are dual carriageway with a speed limit of 50 mph or above that have such signs?

I certainly remember it that way.

Maybe you should go back and take another look.

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Ah, so we need to bring back the red flag law, do we?

Why?

I regulary drive at 50, 60 and 70mph on such roads.

But I wouldn't describe it as safe to do such speeds, assumption being the mother of all cockups and all.

If you don't think it's safe, why do you do it? Surely you must think it, in Steve's phrase, "acceptably safe".

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Are there any parts that are dual carriageway with a speed limit of 50 mph or above that have such signs?

I certainly remember it that way.

Maybe you should go back and take another look.

I don't know about the stretch where Cole was caught, but there is a DC NSL area of the A3, somewhere near Clanfield, that has "pedestrians crossing" signs. In fact, I often crossed the A3 at that area when I lived back there (with my bike too, a great area for cycling).

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Kingston upon thames.
The whole section of the A3 there is 3 lane...with underpasses and bridges.

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The road ( that black bit of tarmac ) recieves a lot of money from the motoring public ( and a high percentage of it never finds it's way back)
-yet we get constantly bleated by p**taking pedestrians ,who at best only pay some shrunk payment ( known as council tax),toward roads/pavements etc .I'd suggest if they don't like the deal ,we introduce a pedestrian pavement tax ,with VRN on foreheads ,where non payers get put into the pound ,policed by a system like ANPR.


When I cease to be motorist next year I will still be paying about £275 (11% of my council tax) towards Derbyshire roads and pavements. That seems to me to be a more than adequate contribution towards the wear and tear I impose on the infrastructure especially since a negligible part of that sum was used to clear the pavements of ice in the recent bad weather

And, even as a non motorist, I would be contributing about £200, through my income tax and VAT, towards central government spending on motorways and trunk roads which cannot be used by pedestrians. I trust that your scheme would rebate this money to me.

Does your scheme envisage that motorists would also pay this tax?

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The road ( that black bit of tarmac ) recieves a lot of money from the motoring public



No it doesn't.

VED is NOT hypothecated, neither is fuel duty.

Your local roads are maintained by your local council via council tax (check your council tax bill) which ALL householders pay, regardless of whether they have a car or not.

(edit, sorry, just realised dcb's post was on the same subject)

Funny enough I happened across a guy wandering around in the road the other week whilst on my pushbike. I was aware of him but he was startled when he saw me.

"You need to be more careful I said", or something similar, he retorted "bloody cyclists you don't pay tax to use the roads".

I asked if he'd just paid tax to use the road (he was in it it after all), but that made him go just loopy.

Regardless, I don't pay tax to use the road when I'm on my bike OR in my car, road tax was canned decades ago, by Winston Churchill nonetheless:

http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=54


Also, explain to me how "road tax" paid for the road on the street I live in, which was created before cars were invented. About the only thng they've done to it since is stick a layer of tarmac on it and installed a few speed humps (which we wouldn't need if some drivers weren't such hoons).


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Maybe you should go back and take another look.


Hmm, you see, I reckon this "attitude" coming form you (with your implied assertion that I am automatically wrong, even lying) is based on your assumption that because I have no issue with speed limits or their enforcement that I don't drive a car, therefore I must be a liar when I discuss road features, because how could I know about them if have no issue with speed limits where by extension in your twisted logic I don't drive a car.


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I regulary drive at 50, 60 and 70mph on such roads.

But I wouldn't describe it as safe to do such speeds, assumption being the mother of all cockups and all.

If you don't think it's safe, why do you do it? Surely you must think it, in Steve's phrase, "acceptably safe".


Damn! Beat me to it! From now on, every time weepej says something like:

weepej wrote:
[And can we stop asserting that driving at 100mph, or 70mph, or 50mph is ever safe? It's an incredible speed to propel a one-two tonne vehicle at, if anything untoward happens it's highly likely there will be serious injury or death involved.


I can reply: "but you do it so it must be ok".

Everything in life involves a degree of risk, and we make subconscious risk/benefit analyses all the time as to whether the benefit justifies the risk exposure. You have effectively admitted as much yourself.

Nice one.


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Everything in life involves a degree of risk, and we make subconscious risk/benefit analyses all the time as to whether the benefit justifies the risk exposure. You have effectively admitted as much yourself.

Nice one.


I can tell you I see behaviour on the roads every day that suggest some people's risk/benefit analyses is way out of whack. Even individual people can make good decisions one minute and frankly ridiculous decisions the next depending on their mood, or state of hurridness.


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Good, but what do you suggest doing about it?

Ban risk?

Or ban people who make bad decisions due to their state of "hurridness"?

Or what?


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