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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 17:07 
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Average speed cameras installed in neighbourhoods for the first time
By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Published: 6:00PM GMT 06 Dec 2009

A new generation of average speed cameras that will police 20mph zones in residential areas are to come into force in the New Year after they were approved by the government.
The cameras, which link wirelessly to each other, are capable of tracking vehicles for up to 15 miles whichever route they take over a wide area.
Traffic managers throughout the country see them as a way of restoring calm to Britain’s neighbourhoods without resorting to intrusive calming devices such as road humps and chicanes.


The new "time over distance" devices are also seen as a way of dealing with the problem of motorists braking when they see a camera then accelerating once past it.
They are already used in motorways where despite catching far fewer speeders than traditional speed cameras, they have dramatically reduced casualties
The first residential average speed cameras in 20mph zones will be installed next month after they were approved by experts at the Home office.

Research from the Department for Transport indicates that a cut in speed to 20mph has a dramatic impact in making areas more friendly to cyclists and pedestrians.
One in 40 pedestrians struck by a car at 20mph dies, compared with one in five at 30mph.
Portsmouth became the first city in Britain to introduce a blanket 20mph limit on residential roads last year, York, Norwich and eight London boroughs, including Islington, have announced plans to follow suit.
Extensive 20mph zones have also been introduced in Edinburgh, Newcastle upon Tyne and Hull. In total, there are more than 2,000 20mph zones.
Transport for London will install the cameras in Camden, Southwark and Waltham Forest, while Portsmouth and Norwich have also expressed an interest.

The cameras — called Specs3 — will be fitted at entry and exit points in residential areas and on busy roads. They read number plates and record the time as each car passes
Critics point out that even these new cameras will not deter motorists from indulging in short bursts of speed, because they will still average less than 20mph when stops at junctions, lights or in traffic are taken into account.
On main roads the average speed cameras issue fewer tickets than conventional Gatso cameras, which measure speed over only a few yards, according to the manufacturers.
In the past year, the number of speeding tickets exceeded 1.5m for the first time, twice the number issued in 1997 when Labour came to power. They raised £88m from motorists in one year and have raked in £1 billion over the past decade.

Average speed cameras have proved effective at persuading people to keep within the limits. Nearly 100 have been installed at roadworks — typically on motorways — and accident black spots, and according to data collected from five active camera sites, 99.4 per cent of drivers obey the speed limits.
The number of motorists killed and seriously injured after the cameras have been introduced falls by nearly two thirds on average.
A spokesman for the Home Office confirmed that the new cameras had passed laboratory tests for effectiveness but said they had yet to be officially given the green light.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 17:33 
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Critics point out that even these new cameras will not deter motorists from indulging in short bursts of speed, because they will still average less than 20mph when stops at junctions, lights or in traffic are taken into account



So why spend the money fitting them , unless -there's something they're not telling us . :? :? :?

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The human brain can't easily work out average speeds, so the general reaction to SPECS systems is to drive within the limit throughout the controlled zone. The number of drivers who will deliberately speed up within the zone will be minimal.

I don't generally see areas of residential streets as being scenes of mayhem anyway, so I suspect there will be little perceivable difference from introducing these cameras.

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I don't generally see areas of residential streets as being scenes of mayhem anyway, so I suspect there will be little perceivable difference from introducing these cameras.


Agree with you there , and that's what gets hairs rising on neck ,as this lot only do something when there's a hefty profit in sight .

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I've noticed that there are a few permanent installations going up on motorways while roadworks are being dragged out.

Now if the government is using the excuse that they'll help in their combat against Global Warming (spit) then how much carbon (dioxide) is created in installing, running the cams themselves and all the ancillary systems that are required to maintain them?

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NO!

We must stop this constant monitoring of our lives!

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The cameras, which link wirelessly to each other, are capable of tracking vehicles for up to 15 miles whichever route they take over a wide area.
Traffic managers throughout the country see them as a way of restoring calm to Britain’s neighbourhoods without resorting to intrusive calming devices such as road humps and chicanes


And ,anyone got any ideaof what these look like -some new ones round here ,with no feedback from our usually PR SCP , leave me wondering -and they've got aerials ,and made by Gatso .

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You can bet your arse they ain't gonna be installed anywhere near travelers sites !

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http://www.speedcheck.co.uk/SPECS3_overview.pdf

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Nothing like the gatso thingy I wanted to know about .

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THIS is the gatso repertoire.

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I can’t find a link on them but my friend who recently returned from Canada said they are even more devious over there.

She described a small unobtrusive thing which they mount on the top of traffic lights and such like. The speed camera obsession has become a pandemic unfortunately, but it’s nice to know they also have like-minded folk over there too who are equally opposed to them. :)

I think the only way the tide will turn is when a country says no to them and shows to the rest of the world that the roads do not suddenly turn to carnage and then hopefully other countries will follow. I hope too that the UK leads the way on this, but I won’t hold my breath...

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You can bet your arse they ain't gonna be installed anywhere near travelers sites !

Do travellers have properly registered vehicles anyway?

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Of course they have.
One [transit pick-up) was properly registered to a ford fiesta....

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Of course they have.
One [transit pick-up) was properly registered to a ford fiesta....

:D :D :D

Had a lookon that site ,Jo -the one I'm looking for ain't on it .

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Sodding buzzwords.

"Neighbourhood". Is that where a "community" lives?

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These are installed on traffic lights throughout the town.
Supposedly to do with pollution monitoring, they actually capture the vehicles registration number to monitor "journey times"

http://www.siemens.co.uk/traffic/en/index/productssolutionsservices/jtms.htm

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Sodding buzzwords.

"Neighbourhood". Is that where a "community" lives?

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And if by chance we can translate "community neighbourhoods " into housing estates ,then we do see a change of policy, or doesent privacy apply to car owners? .

Few years ago ,when towns got CCTV systems ,it was mentioned that cameras would not appear on housing eatetes for privacy reasons .Then there was a clamour to prevent problems in certain areas ,and movable cameras were brought in -they mount on lamp post like poles/lamp posts .In truth ,all they do is move the gatherings & problems elsewhere .

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Regarding Average Speed Cameras. Just want to say that the ACPO Procedures For Road Policing Enforcement Technology says that a camera that does a secondary check(which is what a specs type camera is) must have an independent mechanism,which can verify the continuing accuracy of the device. It is hard to see how a specs camera can fulfill this requirement. How does the second camera of the pair,"verify the continuing accuracy of the device?"


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Regarding Average Speed Cameras. Just want to say that the ACPO Procedures For Road Policing Enforcement Technology says that a camera that does a secondary check(which is what a specs type camera is) must have an independent mechanism,which can verify the continuing accuracy of the device. It is hard to see how a specs camera can fulfill this requirement. How does the second camera of the pair,"verify the continuing accuracy of the device?"

You could raise an FOI.
I once asked the tech director of Speed Check Services how SPECS does the secondary measurement; he responded by saying his company has no obligation to disclose. 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear' and all that!

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