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She had started to cross that part of the road after the green man to pedestrians had begun to flash. Mr Ali hit her while the lights to motorists were still flashing amber.
A quick look at all the DfT Highway Code, rules
below show us that in all cases care must be taken :
DfT Highway Code : wrote:
20
Where there is an island in the middle of a zebra crossing, wait on the island and follow Rule 19 before you cross the second half of the road – it is a separate crossing.
21
At traffic lights. There may be special signals for pedestrians. You should only start to cross the road when the green figure shows. If you have started to cross the road and the green figure goes out, you should still have time to reach the other side, but do not delay. If no pedestrian signals have been provided, watch carefully and do not cross until the traffic lights are red and the traffic has stopped. Keep looking and check for traffic that may be turning the corner. Remember that traffic lights may let traffic move in some lanes while traffic in other lanes has stopped.
At traffic lights, puffin and pelican crossings
22
Pelican crossings. These are signal-controlled crossings operated by pedestrians. Push the control button to activate the traffic signals. When the red figure shows, do not cross. When a steady green figure shows, check the traffic has stopped then cross with care. When the green figure begins to flash you should not start to cross. If you have already started you should have time to finish crossing safely.
23
Puffin crossings differ from pelican crossings as the red and green figures are above the control box on your side of the road and there is no flashing green figure phase. Press the button and wait for the green figure to show.
24
When the road is congested, traffic on your side of the road may be forced to stop even though their lights are green. Traffic may still be moving on the other side of the road, so press the button and wait for the signal to cross.
25
Toucan crossings are light-controlled crossings which allow cyclists and pedestrians to share crossing space and cross at the same time. They are push-button operated. Pedestrians and cyclists will see the green signal together. Cyclists are permitted to ride across.
Toucan crossings can be used by both cyclists and pedestrians
26
At some crossings there is a bleeping sound or voice signal to indicate to blind or partially sighted people when the steady green figure is showing, and there may be a tactile signal to help deafblind people.
Odin wrote:
... if she had paid attention to the road whilst crossing she'd still be here, also if the driver had given full attention he would have noticed a dozey pedestrian jaywalking and she'd still be here. Perhaps this is a step to making it clear that we ALL have a responsibilty to road safety, not just motorists.
In principal I agree but not that we can be sure that she woudl still 'be here' 'if' .... we cannot be sure, there is a 'probability' that she might be.
weepej wrote:
PeterE wrote:
Nobody's disputing that he committed an offence.
Hmm "Was the green man flashing when she started to cross? " certainly sounds like blame was trying to be laid on the pedestrian for doing something wrong.
If green man was
flashing after she had started to cross then she ought to have had time to cross as it will be a Pelican Crossing (22); if before she started to cross then she need to be exceptionally careful and fast, but traffic too should have allowed for her tardy behaviour in reality. This wasn't like he started moving into her, but was already going too fast for conditions. He failed to anticipate the possible actions, or ignore the possibility of a hazard etc. It was her lack of care, and his lack of awareness, anticipation or recognition of a possible developing hazard that caused the accident.
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