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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 18:35 
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Camera warning for motorists
01 August 2010

MOTORISTS have been warned new safety cameras set up along a busy stretch of road could become active any day after questions were raised about whether they were in use or not.

Queries had been raised about the cameras along the A149 between Potter Heigham and the junction with the A1151 at Cats Common near Wayford.

In March it was reported that seven camera stands, which measure average speed, had been placed along the road, which has a speed limit varying between 50mph and 60mph, as part of a wider project aimed at reducing accidents on rural roads.

But motorists had been questioning whether the cameras were active.

Gary Gilden, from The Avenue in Horning, said he had seen a safety camera van parked about 20m away from one of the new cameras which had raised his suspicions.
John Birchall, Norfolk County Council spokesman, said they were still “processing and calibrating” the cameras so mobile speed cameras were being used on the road.

He said: “It is not just a case of switching the speed cameras on. This is a whole system of cameras which operate together to detect and calculate the average speed of vehicles.”
He added: “The message is if you do not want to be the first to get a speeding ticket issued by the cameras, then do not speed.”

The cameras are part of the government's Rural Road Safety Demonstration Project, in which four councils, Norfolk, Lincolnshire, Devon and Northamptonshire have been asked to pilot rural road safety initiatives.

The project, which in Norfolk is funded with £1.5m from the Department for Transport, also requires local authorities to look at and report on key problems facing rural drivers.

Measures taken in Norfolk include the planting of trees on village approaches and replacing posts along the road with collapsible ones, so the impact is less if someone should hit them.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 19:40 
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John Birchall wrote:
The message is if you do not want to be the first to get a speeding ticket issued by the cameras, then do not speed.



Yup, I can't quite get what's so hard about that.

Are they speeding at the moment?


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weepej wrote:
Yup, I can't quite get what's so hard about that.

Quite a bit if it's set below reasonable levels; do you get that?

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Steve wrote:
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Yup, I can't quite get what's so hard about that.

Quite a bit if it's set below reasonable levels; do you get that?


What the cameras are set below the speed limit?


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weepej wrote:
What the cameras are set below the speed limit?

Are you trying to be funny? Hear me roar as I split my sides :roll:

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weepej wrote:
Speed, speed, speed.


Apart from the usual response, I wonder if the accident history of this road justifies all these cameras?

Or will they just fail to raise revenue until the local council do the decent thing and pull the plug?

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DfT picks-up the tab for average speed cameras (specs).
And don't forget, they do not only speed but also anpr and cctv.

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Steve wrote:
weepej wrote:
What the cameras are set below the speed limit?

Are you trying to be funny? Hear me roar as I split my sides :roll:



Steve -time to resurrect the "Troll alert " ???( or a new smiley, if I'm not being either adhominie ,or adnominie(dcb - you'll live to regret that one :wink: ) - a face with tears-i.e a weepy one).

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Apart from the usual response, I wonder if the accident history of this road justifies all these cameras?
Or will they just fail to raise revenue until the local council do the decent thing and pull the plug?
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In reality of course no road 'justifies' any camera, as it will never address the root cause of an accident since 'speeding' is never a root cause in the first place. (I know that you are referring to their 'justify' within their criteria.)
Proper engineering will help to address it.

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One might measure legal speed, one may take a measure of a safe speed, but the one that matters most of all is just prior to an accident. The all that every motorists that finds themselves in this position matter is whether they will crash, have a near miss or avoid.
All the abilities, skills, knowledge of that person/s including their prior ability to manage risk and judge the developing situation will now all come into the fore, and if they have correctly judged they will escape with the 'avoid' scenario, if not it will wither be a crash or a near miss.

Whether they are r are not actually travelling at, near under or over the speed limit will only have a contributory factor in the accident (if that happens).

Prior anticipation, observation will possibly prevent the accident, not that they are travelling at the 'legal speed limit' as that is highly likely to still be too fast.

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SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
In reality of course no road 'justifies' any camera, as it will never address the root cause of an accident since 'speeding' is never a root cause in the first place.


Hmmm..... Well it could be argued that there is a sound logic behind the average speed cameras on the A537 Cat and Fiddle (assuming they're now operational after their hiccup?). There is a very specific problem on that road and the cameras are a specific answer to it. So maybe in some eyes the cameras are justified on those grounds :o

Personally I think its total overkill and that the local SCPs seem to have got into a real them vs us mindset. Depending on which article to believe these cameras cost between £800,000 and £1.2 million which seems an almost criminal misuse of public funds to solve a problem - and despite being a motorbike rider myself it is a problem - that is mostly confined to sunny weekends in summer. The cash would have been much better used increase police patrols on the days it's likely to be busy, and yes on the whole it really is that predictable - and they could be doing other traffic work when it's cold and wet.

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SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
Prior anticipation, observation will possibly prevent the accident, not that they are travelling at the 'legal speed limit' as that is highly likely to still be too fast.


Well then, presumably travelling above the speed limit is too fast again.


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weepej wrote:
SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
Prior anticipation, observation will possibly prevent the accident, not that they are travelling at the 'legal speed limit' as that is highly likely to still be too fast.


Well then, presumably travelling above the speed limit is too fast again.



Is it lunchtime in Trollsville again?

My how time flies. :)

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weepej wrote:
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Prior anticipation, observation will possibly prevent the accident, not that they are travelling at the 'legal speed limit' as that is highly likely to still be too fast.


Well then, presumably travelling above the speed limit is too fast again.
If you always travel so that you can stop in the distance that you know to be clear then you will be 'safe'.
As long as you are recognising all potential hazards and taking all appropriate steps to make those situations safe too, you will be safe.
The speed limit is a legal limit it is never a safety limit.

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If you always travel so that you can stop in the distance that you know to be clear then you will be 'safe'.
As long as you are recognising all potential hazards and taking all appropriate steps to make those situations safe too, you will be safe.
The speed limit is a legal limit it is never a safety limit.


yes, come on weepej, try and keep up. Have you not learnt anything over the years from visiting this site? Speed limits aren't safety limits and have little bearing on the safest speed to travel at any time, more so now that many limits are being cut drastically.

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