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Where has anyone suggested that anyone apart from paramedics should have tended to the injured? But once they had been removed from the scene and taken to hospital, then the debris should have been cleared to the side of the road as quickly as possible and the motorway reopened. Nobody can tell me that takes half a day.

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Most of the closure time is used up by accident investigators.

Who seem more interested in determining who was to blame than in accident prevention.

I simply took Pete to mean, or ask, are there any reasons why you can’t have a thorough investigation and do it in much less than half a day in these modern and sophisticated times on what ostensibly seems to be an pretty straightforward case?

I also took Pete to mean there are ramifications which are likely never to make the news that could be quite bad as a result of these, (unacceptable), long delays. That is not to say anyone here wouldn’t want a full investigation, as I'm sure we all would.

I hope that who moved the cyclist gets his balls cut off and left for dead fisherman!

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Just been poking around the net trying to find an official closure date, best I've found so far is:



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One of the police officers at the scene will have decided that he or she had reasonable cause to believe an offence had been committed. That offence could be anything from DWDC up to attempted murder. A decision is then taken - to shut the motorway for investigation or to allow potential evidence to be obliterated by the clearing up procedure and subsequent traffic.

Once the decision to investigate has been taken to investigate an accident investigator has to be called to the location. Depending on how many AIs there are in a given region it may take some time for one to arrive on scene. Especially if the AI has to finish another scene examination before travelling to the new one. The AI may then have to travel through the tail back. In this case a motorcycle was involved. My county doesn't have any motorcycle cops and, if one is neeeded to perform a skid test, it is necessary to borrow one from another county. All of which could easily take half a day or longer.

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They do tell us WHAT was to blame - and of course we value the statistics when they are recorded accurately and not misrepresented.

I think the problem is all too often a lack of resources to tackle the investigation speedily.
And remember last year a police officer murdered his partner, and tried to make it look like the result of a traffic accident.

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All grist to the mill that a major cause of congestion and delays is people crashing their vehicles:

I think you have, as always, misunderstood the thrust of the debate and are trying to introduce a subject of irrelevance.

If such roads were not closed for hours on end (for prolonged investigations), then the 28% portion would be substantially reduced.
In case you still don't understand: a major cause of congestion and delays are the accident investigations.

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So if I am involved in a crash on my SV, all 9 stone of me, and some big fat copper rocks up on a fully load Pan European to do a skid test, what does that tell the class?

You're assuming that London roads remain closed for hours after a collision. Sure some do when there's a death or serious injury but mostly it's just swept to the side.

You're also assuming that keeping the road closed to perform a full and proper investigation is not worth it.

First measure the skid marks produced at a known speed by the police bike, either by direct measurement or by means of a device such as SkidMan. Next, analyse the results either by SkidCalc or by reference to figures produced under controlled circumstances by manufacturers and/or Road Research organisations. Finally tell the class some or all of the following :- how fast the vehicle was going, how fast it was travelling at time of impact, whether any fault in the brakes affected the braking process, whether any fault in the suspension affected the braking process, whether the way and extent to which the vehicle was loaded adversely affected the braking process, whether the condition of one or more tyres adversely affected the braking process. Thats just a short extract from the list of things the class might learn from such a test.


BTW - the methods used are perfectly capable of providing reliable conclusions even if one driver is an overweight police officer and the other is (for example ) a long thin streak of nothing.

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The incident was a good number of years ago and, as far as I am aware, the driver got back in his car and drove off to his "important appointment". I see the couple as part of my day job and not in any connection with court.

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But me on my bike with a full tank of fuel weighs less than an unladen Pan, or not far off anyway. Different bike, different style of bike, different tyres, that doesn't sound even remotely scientific to me. If I crash my old Civic on 175 section tyres, doing a skid test in a traffic police 5 Series isn't doing to tel them how fast I was going, when their car is much heavier and has wider, low profile, performance tyres on it.

"Collisions", in "London"?
Weren't we talking about injury casualty collisions, on motorways? Please return the goalposts to where they were!

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Explanation and supporting evidence please, or I will claim that as a figment of your imagination, induced by your personal bias.


I don't assume any such things; it is you who assumes too much.

I am merely joining Pete in questioning the duration needed to conduct the investigation, as well as questioning whether that duration is worth it compared to the disruption and elevated risk elsewhere through displacement (don't forget, we're were talking about motorways - the safest type of road).

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That's what I thought

Where are we going weepej, or what road are we on?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Can someone photoshop me one of them with "everyone else" where it says "straight ahead", and "Speed, speed, speed" then underneath "(weepej only)" where it says "thread direction"?