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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 05:52 
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SPEED TRAP AXE ‘CUTS CASUALTIES’

Saturday October 2,2010
By Charlotte Gray

THE first town to switch off its speed cameras is celebrating the decision after accident rates and fines plummeted.

There have been no deaths on Swindon’s roads since the fixed cameras were turned off in August last year.

In the past 12 months, the town has had just two serious accidents and 14 slight accidents.

This is compared to one death, five serious and 15 minor crashes the year before. The council raked in £80,000 less than the previous year, issuing 1,341 fewer speeding tickets.

Councillor Peter Greenhalgh, in charge of transport for Swindon, said: “I am encouraged by these figures. They justify what we did.”

Swindon’s move came after the Government cut £38million from the Road Safety Grant, which funds the devices.

But the AA’s Andrew Howard said: “We have said that cameras should not be switched off. ”

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RTTM?

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Didn't think it worked both ways! :wink:

Yes, I agree, that's a possible cause. If I were in their shoes, I wouldn't be crowing about it just yet. HOWEVER, there is a small part of me that thinks they ought to, and here's why.

For years, scamera partnerships (and, indeed, central government) have been conveniently ignoring this phenomenon. If we now start seeing cameras switched off and a general downward trend in KSIs, it will put them in the difficult position of either having to admit that the anti-camera lobby was right, dreaming up some other cause for the reductions, OR saying that it's down to RTTM - an effect that they have, very publicly, dismissed on inumerable occasions. I wonder which it will be?! :lol:


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I have always felt that these sort of accident statistics are far to rare to apply any really meaningfull analysis to anyway.

Afer all, consider each of the following two examples and think about how the figure would be represented.

1) Lone driver loses controll on corner, ends up upside down in canal, dead!

2) Minibus full of kids loses controll on corner, ends up upside down in canal, dead!

(And, of course which ACCIDENT is worse?)

I would not be at all surprised to find that the primary reason for seasonal variability in fatals was simply down to occupancy!

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dcbwhaley wrote:
RTTM?

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dcbwhaley wrote:
Could this be explained by RTTM?

The effects of RTTM is far stronger at a spot/local level than over an area that's county wide (where the effects of the sum of all local areas are averaged out).

The accident rate at a "site" (a short stretch of road) can fluctuate greatly; the ratios can easily exceed 1:5 over three year timeframes. That kind of fluctuation is practically unheard of at county level (and and has never occurred at national level).

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RTTM notwithstanding, casualties have signally failed to go way up, as all the usual suspects like Brake said they would.


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Mole wrote:
For years, scamera partnerships (and, indeed, central government) have been conveniently ignoring this phenomenon. If we now start seeing cameras switched off and a general downward trend in KSIs, it will put them in the difficult position of either having to admit that the anti-camera lobby was right, dreaming up some other cause for the reductions, OR saying that it's down to RTTM - an effect that they have, very publicly, dismissed on inumerable occasions.
Absolutely spot-on Mole! :clap:

RTTM aside, in our favour or not, you would think the way they have obsessively pushed the speed kills message over the years would have left all the gullible in no doubt that there should have been absolute carnage on Swindon’s roads; not just a few more or few less.

Since this clearly has not happened you would think the gulible would start to feel they have quite simply been duped, but I’ve noticed there are two ways they tackle a truism they don’t like; they ignore it or deny it with an almost religious fervour. As always, you can take a horse to water…

Thanks Dixie, well spotted :)

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