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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 00:34 
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He said some operators had already turned to issuing penalty tickets rather than using clamps and the law needed to recognise a "growing form of enforcement".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10993473

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Bit on tonights watchdog http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 4_10_2010/

showing the types of notices issued .Some of the private ones looked more real than the council ones .Bloke representing the provate companies got a bit of heat over the similarity ,and some legal info .

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I was under the impression that private bodies could not issue 'penalties' they could ultimately only bring civil cases for tort, trespass, or breach of contract.

Clearly doesn't stop the same unscrupulous operators that were clamping from making idle threats and menaces.

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The "tickets" look uncannily like the ones issued by councils.
Just ignore them. After a while they send you a bill for the money, they pay the DVLA for the name/address of the keeper of the vehicle. There exists no legal requirement for you to tell them who was driving.
A read of THIS is most useful.

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The "tickets" look uncannily like the ones issued by councils.
Just ignore them. After a while they send you a bill for the money, they pay the DVLA for the name/address of the keeper of the vehicle. There exists no legal requirement for you to tell them who was driving.
A read of THIS is most useful.


There was a suggestion ( can't remember of it came from an actual court case tho') on PH that the penalty should be the loss to the organisation .Another suggested method was to write to the store ( in the case of a supermarket ) pointing out loss of spend if you and family took business elsewhere .Think our local Sainsbury have taken this on board. Initially the attendant was shoving bits of paper wholesale under wipers ,till customers started complaining .Heard some staff memtioning that takings were down ,and suddenly the clampdown eased .Hasn't affected the notice inside the store pointing out that offenders will be "fined".

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There was a suggestion ( can't remember of it came from an actual court case tho') on PH that the penalty should be the loss to the organisation .Another suggested method was to write to the store ( in the case of a supermarket ) pointing out loss of spend if you and family took business elsewhere .Think our local Sainsbury have taken this on board. Initially the attendant was shoving bits of paper wholesale under wipers ,till customers started complaining .Heard some staff memtioning that takings were down ,and suddenly the clampdown eased .Hasn't affected the notice inside the store pointing out that offenders will be "fined".


Interesting point!

The "loss" to the store caused by you parking outside of their "contract" could be minus several tens of pounds (your shopping bill) - so they would end up having to compensate you. OK, the "several tens" isn't lost profit on that one occasion, but if you boycotted the place (and so did your friends)... ;) ;)

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There was a suggestion ( can't remember of it came from an actual court case tho') on PH that the penalty should be the loss to the organisation .Another suggested method was to write to the store ( in the case of a supermarket ) pointing out loss of spend if you and family took business elsewhere .Think our local Sainsbury have taken this on board. Initially the attendant was shoving bits of paper wholesale under wipers ,till customers started complaining .Heard some staff memtioning that takings were down ,and suddenly the clampdown eased .Hasn't affected the notice inside the store pointing out that offenders will be "fined".


Interesting point!

The "loss" to the store caused by you parking outside of their "contract" could be minus several tens of pounds (your shopping bill) - so they would end up having to compensate you. OK, the "several tens" isn't lost profit on that one occasion, but if you boycotted the place (and so did your friends)... ;) ;)

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And if the illegality of the parking notices get into local press - would/could any supermarket chain allow this to happen - vs the bad press from other stores .The stores were certainly Named & Shamed on Watchdog, along with the parking firms . Suspect Ann R won't let this die - it's too good a story .

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A private parking company will not take you to court over an unpaid so called fine.If they did and they won they would only be able to claim any losses for your breach of the car park regulations.I.E. If they charge £2 per hour and you stayed for an hour and 10 minutes. they would only be entitled to £2.00, which would be the charge another motorist would pay but for you taking the space and not paying.So, if a private parking company charges nothing for the first 3 hours, but there is no charge for over three hours then they are entitled to.........nothing!


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The BBC Story :
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Wheel clampers face private land ban
17 August 2010 Last updated at 15:00

A wheel clamp The practice was banned in Scotland in 1991
Wheel clampers are to be banned from operating on private land in England and Wales, the government has said.
The legislation, to be introduced in November, will introduce penalties for anyone clamping a vehicle or towing it away on private land.
Minister Lynne Featherstone said motorists had faced "unscrupulous tactics" by some firms for too long.
Motoring groups welcomed the news, but parking firms said regulation rather than a ban was the answer.
In one case on Monday, a nurse was clamped while visiting a patient and told to pay £350 to get her car released, with another £50 charge for every hour she delayed payment.
The planned legislation, announced by the Home Office, will be introduced in the government's Freedom Bill in November.
More than 2,000 existing clamping licences will be revoked as a result, with towing also set to be outlawed, but private firms will still be able to ticket parked cars.
Only police or councils will be allowed to immobilise or remove a car in exceptional circumstances, such as a vehicle blocking a road.
The penalties could include fines or jail terms.
Wheel clamping on private land has been outlawed in Scotland since 1991, but will remain legal in Northern Ireland.
Announcing the ban, Ms Featherstone, the Equalities and Criminal Information Minister, said the government was "committed to ending the menace of rogue private sector wheel-clampers once and for all".
Lynne Featherstone: "Landowners can either put up barriers or they can switch to ticketing"
"Reports of motorists being marched to cash points or left stranded after their car has been towed are simply unacceptable," she said.

Regional and local transport minister Norman Baker said "cowboy clampers" had had "ample opportunity to mend their ways, but the cases of bullying and extortion persisted"
Lawyer Nick Freeman, who specialises in motoring law, said: "For a long time this has been nothing but an unregulated racket operated mainly by unscrupulous cowboys, with some people making a lot of money from the misfortune of others.
"For motorists who fall foul of this unfair practice, they have no choice but to pay an extortionate release fee and they have no redress other than through the county court, which the vast majority of people don't pursue."

Driver's 30-hour protest
Haroon Zafaryab
* Haroon Zafaryab returned to his car in Wembley and was asked to pay £365
* Sat in his car for 30 hours to prevent the vehicle from being towed away after it was clamped
* He was plastered with 40 tickets, with demands mounting to £3,565 in total
* Car finally released after he paid £100. He says he plans to challenge the fine in court
* Clamped driver's 30-hour protest

Professor Stephen Glaister, director of the RAC Foundation, warned that getting rid of clamping would not end disputes about parking on private land.
There needed to be a fair system that found the right balance between protecting motorists and landowners.
He said some operators had already turned to issuing penalty tickets rather than using clamps and the law needed to recognise a "growing form of enforcement".
Currently, wheel clampers and the directors and supervisors of clamping companies must hold a licence granted by the Security Industry Authority (SIA).
Patrick Troy, of the British Parking Association, which represents the parking industry, said a ban on clamping was not the solution.
He said he would prefer company licensing with a code of practice covering issues such as maximum recommended charge for clamp release fees, the amount of signage, "all the things which quite rightly upset the public about the way car parks are managed".


Scotland has not seen some mass abuse of parking facilities but respect for the facilities offered.

I question why we need parking fees at all. If it were free everywhere and only wardens to insure discouragement of misbehaviour and enforcement when totally abused. That type of respect for a system is brought out as you are expect to use your common sense judgement and common decency to respect facilities. I rarely ever see anyone abuse my local parking facilities and there is no warden and no charges, it is free everywhere.

It is only greedy organisations that plug for charges on some call for good behaviour but it is wrong. If you give people for the most part respect it and honour the use of the space. I have spent longer looking for the pay box and getting change and paying sometimes than I have actually 'shopping' - in other words I would have gone before I had even paid had I not had to go and buy a ticket so I was occupying the space for twice as long as I need to !
I am also seriously discouraged to paying for any parking space and won't shop never such facilities, so end up using the big stores that have free parking. I can then shop without worrying about a time frame.

Scotland is absolutely correct in stating that it is extortion. because it is !

Also there is a 'feeling of freedom' as you only park for what time you need, than 'making the most of all your bought time', so there are often spaces as people park for shorter periods and often.

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