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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 22:19 
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http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/36438.html

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Speed kills. It also hits motorists hard in the pocket when they ignore the limit in town and the countryside, or on the motorway. According to figures released by the Scottish Executive yesterday, speeding motorists caught on camera or during police blitzes paid some £10m in fines in 2003. These drivers account for nearly 20% of crimes handled by the police. For those who believe that speed cameras are at the core of a policy of fleecing drivers to swell Treasury and police force coffers, the new figures will come as no surprise, if a source of continuing anger.
Articulating the views of that camp, Neil Greg, head of policy for the AA in Scotland, said speeding fines were of no benefit to motorists. They wanted to see road rage and careless driving tackled, not more speed cameras. There are two points to make in response. First, fines are not intended to make life easier for offenders. They are intended as a punishment to stop them transgressing in future. Secondly, it stands to reason that speeding will be a factor in both road rage and careless driving. Cracking down on speeding should reduce the incidence of careless driving. It is estimated that 1100 people die and 12,000 are seriously injured in accidents where speed is a major factor. Speed limits are imposed and policed to save lives. The most recent figures for the number of people killed in road accidents in Scotland – 331 in 2003 – show a 9% increase on the previous year. The rising fatality list occurred despite a big jump in the number of motorists caught speeding. Does this mean, then, that the policy is not working and that it is no more than a smokescreen for raising revenue, as critics maintain?
The short answer is no. The statistics show quite clearly that, in the areas where speed cameras are in place, they have a positive impact – on fatalities and serious injuries (40% fewer than elsewhere); injuries caused by collisions (33% down); and pedestrians killed or seriously injured (35% down). If anything, there is a clear case for extending the use of speed cameras. The figures suggest that most road deaths occur where there are no speed cameras, puncturing the argument of those who believe they do not save lives. There is a significant lobby which opposes speed cameras. If the use of cameras is to be extended it should be accompanied by a public-awareness campaign explaining their benefit to sceptical drivers. Then they might be won over – and drive show quite clearly that, in the areas where speed cameras are in place, they have a positive impact – on fatalities and serious injuries (40% fewer than elsewhere); injuries caused by collisions (33% down); and pedestrians killed or seriously injured (35% down). If anything, there is a clear case for extending the use of speed cameras. The figures suggest that most road deaths occur where there are no speed cameras, puncturing the argument of those who believe they do not save lives. There is a significant lobby which opposes speed cameras. If the use of cameras is to be extended it should be accompanied by a public-awareness campaign explaining their benefit to sceptical drivers. Then they might be won over – and drive safely.
Speed kills. It also hits motorists hard in the pocket when they ignore the limit in town and the countryside, or on the motorway. According to figures released by the Scottish Executive yesterday, speeding motorists caught on camera or during police blitzes paid some £10m in fines in 2003. These drivers account for nearly 20% of crimes handled by the police. For those who believe that speed cameras are at the core of a policy of fleecing drivers to swell Treasury and police force coffers, the new figures will come as no surprise, if a source of continuing anger.
Articulating the views of that camp, Neil Greg, head of policy for the AA in Scotland, said speeding fines were of no benefit to motorists. They wanted to see road rage and careless driving tackled, not more speed cameras. There are two points to make in response. First, fines are not intended to make life easier for offenders. They are intended as a punishment to stop them transgressing in future. Secondly, it stands to reason that speeding will be a factor in both road rage and careless driving. Cracking down on speeding should reduce the incidence of careless driving. It is estimated that 1100 people die and 12,000 are seriously injured in accidents where speed is a major factor. Speed limits are imposed and policed to save lives. The most recent figures for the number of people killed in road accidents in Scotland – 331 in 2003 – show a 9% increase on the previous year. The rising fatality list occurred despite a big jump in the number of motorists caught speeding. Does this mean, then, that the policy is not working and that it is no more than a smokescreen for raising revenue, as critics maintain?
The short answer is no. The statistics show quite clearly that, in the areas where speed cameras are in place, they have a positive impact – on fatalities and serious injuries (40% fewer than elsewhere); injuries caused by collisions (33% down); and pedestrians killed or seriously injured (35% down). If anything, there is a clear case for extending the use of speed cameras. The figures suggest that most road deaths occur where there are no speed cameras, puncturing the argument of those who believe they do not save lives. There is a significant lobby which opposes speed cameras. If the use of cameras is to be extended it should be accompanied by a public-awareness campaign explaining their benefit to sceptical drivers. Then they might be won over – and drive safely.


I wonder what the RTTM figures are in these areas?


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Grrrr!

How annoying to see the same old RUBBISH spouted over and over again. :hoppingmad:

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Paul - their not the only ones - Warwickshire , via Chief Superintendent Jon Bond, Chair of the Warwickshire Casualty Reduction Partnership and
Louise Lyle, Warwickshire Casualty Reduction Partnership Project Manager rehashed their version of happenings in Warwickshire on 17 march.However they seem to base their figures on 4 cameras ,2 of which they talk about on another page as being operational in Nov (2004) , the other two are about a year old , three are in Nuneaton, the other in Rugby, no mention of the effects of any others , especially those on the A45, or the half hidden one on the A5 (set to detect HGV), and refer to "reductions at camera sites when compared to the annual average for 1994-98." - Was that projected for the cameras they talked about?, and as for at least most of the others in Warks - they were still a gleam in Bonds eye.As far as i remember in 1994 - it was Trafplod hiding hiding behind wall/hedge/ on a bridge or down some side street.

Unless i misread things, they aint talking about the same county as the Coventry Evining Telegraph on 1march ( already posted this link)
http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100n ... _page.html

Mind you Bond is carefull to say "at camera sites".

Be nice to see what you make of what i think is pretentous rubbish, with lots of funny data - or is this another case of proving anything with stats.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 02:41 
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First, fines are not intended to make life easier for offenders. They are intended as a punishment to stop them transgressing in future.


If the fine is the punishment, what's the 3 points for? Conversely, if the 3 points is the real punishment (and IMO it is - given the choice of taking 3 points OR a 60 quid fine, who would choose the points?) then what does the fine achieve other than being a nice little earner for HMG...


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Secondly, it stands to reason that speeding will be a factor in both road rage and careless driving.


Oh really

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So, when I see god knows how many examples of careless driving, some of which then lead to exhibitions of road rage, taking place below the limit (in some cases WELL below), I'm just imagining things? It stands to reason that someone with an interest in promoting scameras and speed limit adherence will suggest that speeding is a factor in road rage and careless driving, just as they'll find a way to make speeding a factor in any aspect of motoring that they disagree with, but that doesn't make it a fact :roll:


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If the use of cameras is to be extended it should be accompanied by a public-awareness campaign explaining their benefit to sceptical drivers.


Ah, so that's what all those 60 quids are really for, to fund yet more propaganda campaigns... :puke:


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If the use of cameras is to be extended it should be accompanied by a public-awareness campaign explaining their benefit to sceptical drivers. Then they might be won over – and drive safely.


And those that cannot be won over will be dealt with! ...Heil Hitler! :twisted:

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