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Mmmmmmmmm........visions!!....

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

1.25ft upwards would put you outside of the painted lines (I did say diagram 1018.1), as well as the 99.9% of drains.
1.5 to 2 is greater than 1.25!

Are you seriously standing by your notion that the camber at that point is "sharp", sharp enough to make one concerned about ride handling?

Weepej, please tell all of us what level of camber you expect there (in degrees), and what limit of camber you can expect to ride over safely (in degrees).

Then we can let the reader judge what really is crazy!

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign

Wishing I hit a puddle and crashed my car, causing myself serious injury or death graball? Nice!

Quite what does this add to the debate?

Not wishing anything of the sort, Weepej, you must have a strange mind.

It's just that I have visions of you driving down country roads, dodging every puddle or slowing dramatically at those which would put you in "danger" of swerving round.

I'm just trying to get a perspective of what you consider "dangerous", that's all.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Do you normally drive your car with the nearside wheels no more 18 inches from the kerb?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

That's a lovely bike, indeed.

Here's mine

Who'd have thought that the liveliest discussion on "Safespeed" in years could turn into a bike-porn thread.

Then why are you using a bike like that in the city?

This is mine. Not nearly as fast as yours but far more practical for city use. Comfortable, stable, safer, fantastic brakes and if I run over a grate I hardly feel it. Yours is not suited to the city you speed freak. Shame on you weepej.

I'm almost tempted to call you a hypocrite, but I won't.





I think I just had an orgasm.

Edit: I just noticed you've got loads of spokes missing from your front wheel weepej

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Pay attention Tone. Weep has already said "I never ride that, I've got it up on the wall to look at it, why do you think I'm riding a hire bike!"

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I didn't take that seriously, I thought he was kidding. Soz weep.

Still sounds to me like having a dog and barking yourself though; a bit like having Kylie Minogue on the wall instead of wrapped around my arm.

(I was tempted to say something a bit naughty then)

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

ah well... a worthy thread diversion... can't help but think a split will be needed shortly...

general runabout / commuter


training bike


race steed


errrr

I always fancied a go on an errr.


I don't and I am always in the PP on my Motorbike, but that's because I'm not hindering the traffic; I can keep up with it. You can't say the same of bicycles.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Steve: Ages ago, you asked me how far the helmet camera would be displaced laterally on the curved entrance to the roundabout in Magnatom's tanker incident. It was when you told me: "Be warned: I can do maths and physics!" (which caused me to be filled with fear and trepidation, I can tell you! ) Well, I did the calculation (because I was interested) and, with a radius of curvature of 22m (which is about right - from Maptool), at 15mph (which Magnatom said he was doing), the camera would be displaced laterally by approximately 0.4m. Not making any point, and I know there are lots of assumptions and approximations, but I just thought you might be interested.

Tone: Like others have said, there appears to be an underlying assumption here that cars "own" the road and cycles are there on sufferance. It is illustrated by lots of things in the language that is used, such as your recent statement: "I am always in the PP on my Motorbike, but that's because I'm not hindering the traffic; I can keep up with it. You can't say the same of bicycles." (Bicycles are traffic!) The most telling aspect from the discussion is that it is always assumed in here that the convenience of the motorist is paramount and completely over-rides any consideration regarding the convenience of the cyclist; it is implicitly assumed here that the cyclist should always give up all of his/her momentum and kinetic energy to save the driver losing even a few seconds of journey time. (I am talking about convenience here, not safety, which must of course the be first consideration.) Yes, you may be able to find occasional counter-examples from the discussions, but I'm talking about the general tenor of the discussion. I think this is at the root of a lot of the disagreements in the topic.

Standing back a bit and taking a wider view, bicycles sometimes inconvenience cars because they do not have the same power-to-weight ratio, whilst cars sometimes inconvenience cyclists because they take up a lot more space on the road. There are times when a motorist may feel the cyclist is unnecessarily inconveniencing them by not moving over and allowing them to pass, just as there are times when a cyclist may feel that the motorist is unnecessarily inconveniencing them by not moving over and allowing them to pass. Most of the time, cyclists do move over when there is room to let motorists past, and, most of the time, motorists (e.g. in queues) do move over when there is room to let the cyclists past. This is how it should be, with each road user showing respect for the others.

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"That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without argument.” - Julian Assange

I agree with that, word for word.

+1 and nicely put Grumps.

It's true, I am part of the traffic but the inescapable fact is all traffic needs to move as best it can. My gripe, for want of a better word, is when it is needlessly slowing traffic down - and that is all! I’d feel exactly the same if it was someone on a pogo stick. It isn’t and never has been about being anti-cyclist for me; it would be like hating myself for goodness sake.

If I am behind an extra wide load crawling along at a snail’s pace or a learner driver who is dithering, or stopped, I’m not nearly as bothered as I might be because it’s not deliberate or their fault. Similarly, I have absolutely no problem with a cyclist using the PP causing a tail-back of a mile if he is there with good reason.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

When cars do not leave you as much room as you would ideally like to pass them, but still enough to get past, what do you do?

How would you react if you were "blocking the overtake" and a faster two-wheeler went between you and the kerb?

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

[steve_mode] How can you be sure of that? [/steve_mode]

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

It depends on a whole load of parameters that you have failed to specify, and on the precise definitions of "ideal" and "enough" as used specifically in this scenario. (Note, that does not mean a generic dictionary definition.)


It depends on a whole load of parameters that you have failed to specify.

As Steve said: "the devil is in the detail".

If you mean something like this RLJ pillock, then I'd think: "what a pillock" and then I'd carry on with my journey.

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"That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without argument.” - Julian Assange

I'm going too fast for them to catch up with me.

Okay then, I am likely to be less of a hinderence.

[dcb_mode]Have you any evidence of that?[/dcb_mode]

No. Does that mean I'm wrong?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.