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Cannot find the post, but someone asked about speed cameras on motorways, and i posted on severn bridge and area - found this after much searching

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wilt ... 425415.stm

Speed cameras will be used on M4

I've done a bit of work today with the Times and the Express on this story.

Nice to see that the Beeb gave us a web link unasked for.

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Amazing wat you find when you're lookin for somat else.

Presumably these are mobile cameras, which are already commonplace on motorways in areas like Northants and Cumbria where a lot of traffic is from outside the area and just passing through. Much like the M4 in Wiltshire...

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Pete - at £60 a kick - would you care??(Assuming our morality was the same as theirs - bit like a tom cat,,, oops sorry mad doc)


T"he scheme will run until the casualty numbers come down." - Knowing the Scamerati - year 1000000

Interesting that they say the scheme will be run until the casualty figures come down.

So if they use the usual nonsence of casualty reduction, then the scheme will stop the very next year!

Sorry - not next year the year when they decide it is not worth the cash

Mobile scammers are common in South Wales along the m4, they are used just prior too the tolls on the second crossing (and where the new 50 limit is introduced about 2 miles too early) and can often be seen perching on a bridge just prior (if westbound) to j35, where there is a wide sweeping bend and no history of accidents.

There was very nearly a large number of accidents on July 16th 2003 (my brothers birthday that's why the date stuck) when the talivan moved to another bridge and caused panic braking on all 3 lanes, causing lorries to use the hard shoulder and a number of cars to skid. At the time I was in the middle lane doing 55-60, the outside lane was moving (estimate) at 60-70 - this was rush hour.

Cheers

Paul

And for your viewing pleasure, here's a link to the scammers website
http://www.safetycameraswiltshire.co.uk/

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The great thing about targetting motorways is they carry lots of traffic from outside the area which can't fight back at the next local election.

Full version:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 57,00.html



My bold.

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My bold.

Control freakery then, nothing to do with road safety. From the horses mouth.

Einion ([/b]AND OTHERS) - don't like the way these idiots treat us - now is the time to clip their wings -
Unless you living in a distant planet , UK is now in election land.

Ask your MP to comment on the subject of quangos making the law - can't find your mp - no probs

http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alcm.cfm - gives mps by constituency.
Don't moan , grab their attention now, whilst your vote means they'll listen

yep - but may is election time - see my post on how to find your mp and complain

Hang on, Hang on! MP's change the law.

They then hand over to other agencies to ensure thay are upheld.

If you don't like the law and choose to ignore it, don't complain when you get caught out. The best thing you can do is not whinge like a kid about getting caught out and saying enforcement is unfair, use your MP (you are old and responsible enough now to do so) and suggest he/she gets it changed to suit what you think is reasonable (after you have fuly justified your suggested change) then observe that law.

Oh and by the way, when you get it changed to what you want, stick to it and grow up when found out about disregarding it.

You just can't choose which laws you observe and which you disregard. There's a word for that, look it up and assess wheter you really want that.

Ha!

Sent yesterday:

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The Times Online article ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 57,00.html ) caught my attention.

In particular, I have two concerns:

First:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/roadsafety/4star.shtml
According to this report, the M4 in your area has '4 Star' - the highest - rating for safety, with the sections rated (all within the highest category) as:

M4 J8/9 to J12 9
M4 J12 to J14 9
M4 J14 to J15 13
M4 J15 to J17 10
M4 J17 to J24 8

Also:
http://www.aamotoringtrust.com/aamotori ... ritain.pdf
(March 2005) Indicates that the M4 still is one of the safest roads.
Elsewhere, EuroRAP indicate that UK Motorways have an accident rate 6.5 times lower than single-carriageway roads.

Should you not be focussing your attention on more dangerous roads? Or are crashes on the M4 particularly caused solely by speed in excess of the speed limit rather than other factors (such as excess speed in fog, or following too closely)?

Second:
Your spokeswoman stated:
“People aren’t supposed to slow down just because they have seen a camera. They are supposed to slow down because it’s the law.”

Shouldn't 'safety' have been mentioned rather than compliance with the law? Or does that indicate Camera Partnership's real major concern?

Regards,

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But I thought the task of the partnerships was to cut casualties?

Odd that their spokeswoman chose 'law' over 'safety', as do you.

So why target resources on 'safe' roads? In doing so the partnerships emphasise the beliefs that they're just after the money.

JJ, as you're on the 'inside', tell us what sort of casualty reduction figures we can expect to hear of on the affected area of the M4, please.

Just heard that on BBC news they're showing a van parked on an overbridge . . . with a lane coned off.

Now, there's a positive contribution to road safety! I wonder if they have to do a risk assessment on that sort of thing? Hmmm . . . if it was roadworks on the Mway there would be a lower speed limit . . . so perhaps they need another van watching the van?

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws.php?p=1&site=laws&cid=183

Laws do get repealed. Enforcement does evolve. Times change. Weight of public opinion has an effect. I'd suggest an element of open-mindedness JJ.

JJ - I was suggesting people contact their mp and remind them that people like you are not accountable ,by the ballot box. MP s are and if they do not remove you/limit your little empire , then we should inform that we will vote for a party/candidate who will.
Britain ( contrary to what JJ and friends (has he any, typed "gas" first - probably more accurate) is still a democratic country - oh we have people who like to rig ballots ( ARE YOU ONE JJ??) but they are in the minority.

JJ - try taking a job in Zimbabwe - people like you are needed there - trouble is that they shoot quango members they dont like

Oh for goodness sake

How on earth do you know what sort of person JJ is? Ad hominem is really sad