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 Post subject: Re: Wiki blackout
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 00:55 
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Why would you believe wiki ?

I trust Wiki more than the "stupid man's clever person".

I accept nothing at face value, which is why I check.



Can Linux run my: Photoshop, Photolapse, Canon Digital Photo Professional, Goldwave Audio editor, Media Player Classic, Virtualdub, my Thermal Imaging programs and all my other little quirky programs designed for Windows, without hours of hassle and WINEing? If so then I would certainly consider shifting. If not then I won't.

I do respect Linux, it gives Windows a serious run for its money and forces Microsoft to be (somewhat) competitive.

I'm still on XP. Both my XP machines boot from cold, to opening Google in FF, in about 35 seconds.


After that - WIN7 - trims boot up times waaaaay down -try it and see .

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 07:01 
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As I said...nearly...I dumped MS when they would not allow me to use XP on my [then] new machine, requiring me to either buy a new "installation" or hunt on the web for a code that would allow me to continue using the original version of XP (not really that legal).
So my laptop (used more often than the desktop) went linux...and I don't bother with wine...since the free versions work for what I want.
The desktop is dual in case I want to wander onto linux for things on that.
Neither of my machines are "new" enough to run W7 with any advantage...and I'm not buying new just for that.
Yes, I could always pirate things....but too late in life to be a crook !

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 Post subject: Re: Wiki blackout
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:09 
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boomer wrote:
you missed that bit where he said "You can download and burn a bootable disc, and run from that without altering your sys at all" - so have a play after booting from a CD without affecting you existing system (indeed you can prolly disconnect you hard-drive for the duration if you are paranoid ;) ).

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That I be, that I be. :)

[Looking further stupid mode ON] What is it about Linux that makes it imune to viruses? I think that's what was inferred earlier; sounds too good to be true.

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botach wrote:
After that - WIN7 - trims boot up times waaaaay down -try it and see .

I have WIN7 on my new and fairly whizzy company laptop. The boot time is about the same, but I feel it is somewhat less responsive than my XP machines (and that's after my SSDs have 'filled').


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As I said...nearly...

As for right now, that sounds like 'no'.

Linux certainly is better for some users, but obviously not for everyone.
It is rather unfortunate that Linux doesn't have a large enough user base for companies to justify another round of software development. Perhaps one day soon that critical mass will be achieved.

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Interestingly, I have just been reloading XP onto an old machine as a clean load. It is only an old Athlon 2200+. what is very noticable is just how snappy "Raw" XP actually is, it is only after you load all the printer drivers, Anti virus and whatever that it all goes south! :(.

(The machine is only going to be an internet box/WP for my Mother so it is plenty fast enough for that..)

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It is rather unfortunate that Linux doesn't have a large enough user base for companies to justify another round of software development. Perhaps one day soon that critical mass will be achieved.


ISTR a couple of years back or so, one of the German cities LA's (It might have been Cologne) threatened to switch to LINUX to save money. Microsoft central command flew a planeload of colonial marines over there to persude them not to do it. I imagine that they were scared $hitless at the idea of that "Critical mass" thing developing and what it might mean to the bottom line if government departments around the world switched thier allegenaces, closely followed possibly by businesses both small and large!...

Oh..And PS.. (Edit)

I have just put extra memory (And a faster CPU) in my main PC, made a big diference (especially the memory!! Might I recommend Crucial for the memory and PCUpgrade for the processor (The PCUpgrade guy actually rang me at 20:00 because the CPU I orrdrerd was UA and we spent about 20 mins discussing my requirements and chosing an alternative..Outstanding!) The thing that persuaded me to do this was installing a microsoft gadget thingy which shows real time (alegedly) CPU and memory usage. Seeing my poor memory working routinely at 80% and the CPU at 40%+ made me think an upgrade might be in order. And it was (as I write this CPU is at 9% and memory at 22%)

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Steve wrote:
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After that - WIN7 - trims boot up times waaaaay down -try it and see .

I have WIN7 on my new and fairly whizzy company laptop. The boot time is about the same, but I feel it is somewhat less responsive than my XP machines (and that's after my SSDs have 'filled').




My last config was a 2.8Ghz amd( actual speed 2.1) with 400 memory . With XP , it was quite swift . Not fast ,but not too bad . With Win7 - loading time was about the same ,but response time was a lot better . Now ,since MB has died ,I'm on a 2.1Ghz MB,with 800 memory - load time on Win7 ,is a lot less than XP Pro - and my preferred OS is Win 7 .
Tried a system chech on Win7 - to get most things as about high 6's -even my old 7200 HDD - what let my system down was the graaphics -but as I know win7 is checking for a gaming PC -I'm not too bothered . I't fast enough for me - my problem is net speed - on a T mobile dongle -approx 7.2mps - response time is slow ,but if you want net speed -you pay ,and in my income bracket - I'm not paying -got better things to fork out for .

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Linux certainly is better for some users, but obviously not for everyone.
It is rather unfortunate that Linux doesn't have a large enough user base for companies to justify another round of software development. Perhaps one day soon that critical mass will be achieved.


It has a massive user base, just not so much on home desktops.
A large majority of the "super" computers use linux.
Many so-called smartphones wander around using linux; android et-al.
Web servers..60% run linux....
Embedded linux is massively used in industry..
Many netbooks..
Horses for courses.....the amount of software available is large, and free.
Most of the stuff I run on the l/top is available as windows-operable as well....
Quite frankly, I have no intention of buying any windows package..the l/top with 1 g of memory starts-up faster than windows and I can have many packages running in parallel.
And, as I already said, I cannot be doing with being told how to use something I have paid for.

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Steve wrote:
Linux certainly is better for some users, but obviously not for everyone.
It is rather unfortunate that Linux doesn't have a large enough user base for companies to justify another round of software development. Perhaps one day soon that critical mass will be achieved.
I think the new Android phones will perhaps see this mass market appeal, and excellent sales & marketing step. :lol:

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I have not managed to find any good CAD packages that run under LINUX. Certainly nothing with the capablity of Altium Designer or even AutoCAD.

Working, as I did, in Academia I knew a lot of people who favoured LINUX but the two main reasons appeared to be that it was free and that it wasn't Microsoft (the same imperative that makes people use Macs). Watching them installing applications was quite amusing. Often took them several hours to build them, constantly searching the web for the version of each library appropriate to their particular flavour and version of the operating system.

OTOH professionals like my son value LINUX for its much higher intrinsic security when used as a server application. But even he has a grudging good word to say for WIN7 security. Of course the relative size of the users bases makes it more productive to target Windows with malware and that can make LINUX appear more secure because fewer hackers target it.

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I run Ubuntu 11.10.
I want an app installed I pick it from the lists in software manager and select install.
The install manager then states what dependencies are required and asks if I want to install them as well.
As for the CAD design. tried KICAD ?

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KiCad is an open source software suite for electronic design automation (EDA) - designing schematics of electronic circuits and printed circuit boards (PCB).


All OS disciplines.
But then...nobody ever said it was superior or easy....installing windows is not easy sometimes.
Horses for courses.

And linux was held back for years because of its command-line driven operation, now that the GUI is sorted things are a lot easier....and getting better.

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TBH -something in my internals says ,install Linux - I'm a rebel - I love bucking the system - but I've tried a few versions of Linux- and I cannot get on with them - not because I have no PC background - I've got a few OS on my PC - out of choice - I got a large HD ,because I wanted to try out Linux - but I just cannot get to grips with it -so sorry Linux- not for me .

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Linux/Ubuntu question.

I have just started to look into this, but one little thing concernes me. Is it possible to install this in a way that does NOT require one to enter a "Username/Password" during setup??

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