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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 21:12 
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Anyone see a parallel to legitimate car owners ,who register their cars etc ??But just like those who don't bother to register the RK, will those with problem dogs bother . If you've ever had the problem of trying to get something done about a dangerous/vicious dog, then you'll know the problem . Christmas time , a dog owner I know ,had her Westie attacked by a rogue Staffie,-dog jumped fence and grabbed Westie by neck,resulting in a vet bill of over £100. Police warned owner , but no further action . Month or two later ,my dog was attacked by same dog .Same method of attack, but the Staffie wasn't too keen on a large defensive Cairn with an equally defensive owner . Again PCSO informed . Month later ,same dog out in open ,and off lead tries to attack mine . It didn't like my action . Month later ,passing the house where Staffie lived -it again jumped fence and attempted an attack. This time the owner threatened me if I intervened . Police got involved ,but he denied it . Council dog warden could only act if dog outside garden. Only real hope was council housing officer,who was concerned that owner might be breaking conditions of keeping a dog .
From that ,I've found out that action will only be taken if dog bites human. So next time mine is attacked, I'll get in way .
Main point in all this is ,would this type bother to get his dog chipped ?
Mine is chipped .He was at birth as a pedigree. I would have it done anyway ,as I've had dogs get lost ,and up in kennels with no one knowing how to trace an owner .

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/govt-plans-see ... 06171.html

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....Millions of dog owners will have to pay for their pets to be fitted with a microchip, under plans set to be announced next week.
Ministers are expected to say that every newborn puppy should be fitted with a device giving details of who they belong to.

The information will reportedly be stored on a central database which can be accessed by police and the RSPCA .
The government believes the proposals will make it easier to trace and prosecute owners of violent dogs.
But there are concerns that such individuals will not obey the law, while responsible people will be hit with extra costs.
Charities have broadly welcomed the rules, suggesting they could also help reunite lost dogs with owners.

But Neil Parish MP, chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Animal Welfare , told the Daily Mail: "If we're not careful we're going to make things more difficult for legitimate dog owners, and not solve the real problem of dangerous dogs.
"We have got to find the dogs who are being bred illegally by people who mix breeds to create potentially vicious dogs.
"It's not so much the dogs that should be targeted, but the owners who train them to be vicious that must be targeted."

Welsh Environment Minister John Griffiths said last December that he was considering introducing legislation requiring all dogs in Wales to be microchipped.

A consultation is due to be launched later this year.

Mr Griffiths said: "Licensed dog breeders in Wales are already required to microchip all animals on their premises prior to them being moved or sold on.
"However, we are now considering plans that would require all dogs in Wales to be microchipped. This would promote responsible pet ownership, ensure pet owner accountability and help to improve the welfare of dogs across Wales."

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 22:20 
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The RK comparison is exactly what sprang to mind when I saw this too.

I do not see what the furore about the costs is though, it is a one off payment that is no more than a few weeks dog food. Unlike most other registration schemes the infrastructure is already there so the government does not get to waste millions of pounds creating one.

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I cannot see this effect those who breed irresponsibly and only add to costs of those who already pay. I haven't ever had my dogs chipped but they all have had collars and engraved tags.
Chips can be 'over chipped' and some chips have worked their way through the animal and caused later problems.
Like most things it is controversial and not as clear cut as we might be initially told.

Personally I don't see why a charity like RSPCA has any right whatsoever to access anything never mind databases of personal data!
How long before all animals are chipped and then are people next ? :(

It is about time proper problems were dealt with properly not just washed under a banner of 'lets do something'! All it will do is push bad dog breeding underground. If they can't identify the problem owners now how is a chipped animal going to help ? It still requires a problem to happen before they can act.
Why don't they just require a Dangerous Dog Owner Certificate? That way they demand a reference to the local Animal Officer as to who owns what animal.
This has a great benefit as these types of people will probably love to boast how they have one of these certificates ... but along with it goes the major responsibility of keeping the animal (never loose etc) and that is more likely to do real good than some silly chip that won't make a blind bit of difference.

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Mine was chipped as a pup , as he's ( I believe KC) registered. But all that's kept on the chip register are my details, his breed and contact telephone numbers .
But from breakfast TV today ,I also see a parallel to the Brake campaign about how dogs( like speed)are dangerous. They don't realise that the treatment ,not the car/animal is what makes things dangerous .
Possibly same lot that are shouting from the rooftops about the dangers to children ( why do these groups always use children as an argument :loco: ) of dog sh1te , but no mention of the equally ( more so IMHO) dangerous ( since most of it is buried in ,usually gardens) cat muck . Perhaps we dog owners should mount a campaign for a legal requirement for cat owners to provide litter trays for cats .
Only upside to the chipping argument is if a dog gets attacked by a rogue dog, owner intervenes ,gets bitten and attacking dog is found not to have a chip. What is punishment ( assuming the offending owner can be traced) ?
It seems that the control government has been kicked into touch, but no reign has been applied to the control freaks in LA offices .

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I guess this is basically a re-introduction of a dog licence through another door...

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I guess this is basically a re-introduction of a dog licence through another door...


Or another admission that the law relating to a owners ID information was being ignored/not working. When I got my present pooch, I took him along to a dog training club to get some basic training, and help socialise him. First question was "why has he no ID disc ". I was told that the law required him to have an ID tag on his collar.I contacted the head of our dog warden service to see what info she could suggest. As the scheme is not used locally ,she could not readily tell me, but she did call me back with the info ,as I mentioned that I could visit other areas where a tag is needed .Apparently it is up to each council to determine whether or not ID is required on the dog . In other words a total farce .

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Perhaps it is another 'do something' scenario.

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Perhaps it is another 'do something' scenario.

More likely another be seen to do something, whilst do nothing scenario .
Few years ago , I used to get greeted by a stack of dog muck on the footpath .It turned out that the dog went by at approx 7 am. Dog wardens start at 8.30 am. And the owners knew it. So dog was let out early ,and got in before the dog warden came on duty. A word or four with our local councillor sorted out things, and dog owner got the message . The wardens went out a bit early and the owners got the message, via a bit of dog ownership advice.

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