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I'd like to own a handgun, and I'd be very responsible with it, but understand that there are many others that wouldn't thereby I support hand gun laws.

In the same way I think speed limits are an important part of road safety, and if you have limits, you need to have a speedo to ensure you're complying with the law. If you conceded speed limits are about safety in at least a teeny tiny way you have to concede that a speedo is part of that safety system.



Well, I work it out, but I won't travel at above the limit.

Why? do you have evidence to back this wild assumption up?

Are you going to answer any of the other questions?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Last time you asked me to answer unanswered questions I asked what questions I had not responded to, you couldn't find any, other than loaded ones that weren't really questions which you conceded at the time were not actually questions.

Please stop banging on about the unanswered questions thing!

I said I bet...

Don't put your shirt on it , Weepej!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

A cynic might say three things here: -

1st: You can’t possibly know if you are “at or above” the limit just by guessing; to suggest otherwise would be quite arrogant.

2nd: Who do you think you are to act as a self appointed judge, jury and executioner of what is safe when you are not looking at the speedo?

3rd: The speed which in your words “worked out” yesterday in a makes what you were doing ‘speeding and dangerous’ the day after when it changed to

Yet more evidence that it’s not about real road safety but simple compliance in an ever-increasing obsession with lowering limits ad-absurdum...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Cor, two seconds on the internet:


“Motorists should not get complacent when driving close to home. It is important they don’t get lazy when driving on familiar streets as this is when accidents are most likely happen.


http://iagresearch.com.au/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=10

Cor Big Tone, you've misunderstood and spun that VERY well!

I travel at a speed I feel minimises my risk to hazards (seen and unseen) but allows me to make good progress, but I don't exceed the limit as I have respect for the law.

I use to the speedo to ensure I'm complying with the law, a law which is in turn set up to improve road safety, passenger planes have speed limits too, 200 knots below 10,000 feet, boats do, racing cars do, especially in pit lanes, as do road systems around the world, why do you think this is?

To add the speedo is also useful when you've been subject to a dramatic speed differential as a double check, i.e. just coming off a motorway, where 50 might feel like 20.

’ang on there! It isn’t spin if it’s truthful. Them’s not weasel words; I’m just addressing what you said.

So do I, but not where it is an ass - and history is replete with asinine laws! Maybe I should start a thread on them but I think it would exceed 100 pages. Are your windows still bricked up? Does your wife earn less in her role than a man doing the same job? It’s just the same as when Hitler started the war you know! wink

Yes, but this is the equivalent of lowering the passenger planes to 100 knots or canal speeds to 1 knot. And how on earth do those brave men not get killed in the pits when racing cars whiz past doing over ? It must be a miracle!

Agreed! But these are or should be useful guides, not some sort of absolute. The greatest guide of all is in our heads; ban the stupid heads not the safe ones!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

No you weren't! You were addressing what you think I said, and from your post what you though I said and what I did/intended to say were two different things!

Equivalent of what?

Answer the question Tone, do you think speed limits are required or not? And you only have to think they apply on a 10cm stretch of road on a road system anywhere in the word to answer yes to that question.

If speed limits are a necessity (as I'm sure you'll agree they are) then you must concede one needs a working speedometer in the car so one can comply with the law right?




No, they do get killed and seriously injured (as they could well do if the limit was 30, or 20, or 10, just in respectively less and less quantities and severities statistically).

As I recall being at the side of a motorway is one of the most dangerous places to be on our road network. Why would that be?

Why do you think F1 has a 50mph pit speed limit Big Tone?

Do you think the concept of a speed limit is asinine (regardless of what it is naturally!)?

Very good Weepej, all this proves is what I said earlier.... its just odds on occurence due to the fact that most people spend the majority of their driving time closer to home.

It doesn't prove your theory that if two drivers made a single journey down a road on the same day, that the guy most familiar with the road is most likely to crash. It just means the local driver is more likely to crash on that road over a long period of time...because it's a road he uses every day...still something a 12 year old could tell you.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Er, no, it bolsters what I stated, that drivers familiar with a given stretch of road are more likely to crash on it than somebody who isn't due to familiarity issues; nothing to do with how much time they spend travelling down them.

It's a no brainer graball!

Ha Ha, the joke really is on you...I notice you cut short the quote which supports my theory......



Show me where it says complacency is the cause?...bet you can't

However any 12 year old will tell you...."“Crash trends are often related to driver exposure – motorists are most likely to crash in areas where they spend most time driving,".....only supports what I've been saying...if you drive a road 1000,000 times in your life you are 1,000,000 more times likely to crash on it than the guy who only drives it once.

Did you do maths at school?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Well quite, but that's not the same as saying two drivers, one who is familiar with the road and one who is not, taking the same journey in the same conditions, the one who is familiar is more likely to have a crash, I repeat, nothing to do with your 1,000,000 times example.

Oh give up while your losing , Weepej, you're convincing no one.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

though the speed is not mentioned in the web page report, it was included in the broadcasted news report.



That sounds as if you are advocating that drivers should be allowed to travel at whatever speed they feel like without regard for pedestrians or other road user & is just a recepy for utter chaos on the roads.



You appear to think that because I'm in favour of speed limits that I'm new to driving, I have over 40 years experience driving, though I may not have driven as many miles as you, I have driven in all road conditions. Even the most experienced & highly trained drivers are still liable to make errors. There is no such thing as a perfect driver.



Any good driver should be able to guage what speed they are travelling at, at any given time within 5% - 10% without the need to be constantly watching their speedo as you suggest.



I don't believe I defeated my own argument I pointed out the need for more speed cameras in built up areas, whilst ever you have drivers totally ignoring the rules of the road, driving at more than twice the speed limit or as happened when driving through Hull on sunday ignoring RED traffic lights. even with more traffic police they still cannot be everywhere at once.

This bit has nothing to do with speed limits, really. You stated that if you were to pull out of a junction in a 30MPH limit, in front of a car doing 40MPH, that you would EXPECT a driver to be doing no more than 30MPH and so cause a collision by not leaving enough gap....this is not the actions of an experienced driver, sorry, so I assumed you were not very experienced.... by your inexperienced behaviour...very confusing you must admit!!!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Again you have jumped to the wrong conclusion by assuming that the senario I put forward is something I would do. It is not, if I had put forward a similar senario involving a pedestrian, would you then have assumed I could not drive & therefore did not know what I was talking about.