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I'd be interested in forum members' views as to what the appropriate speed limit would be for this stretch of road, solely based on the information available in the photo. Not what the limit actually is, but what you think it should be.



I have set up a poll on this here.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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From what I can see, on the right, wide open fields, excellent sight lines and good road surface with well maintained road markings this road could easily have a NSL. However, I can't see what is behind the wall to the left, so it could be out of town, therefore a 40 limit would apply.

However, with all this in mind, Mrs NIMBY could live behind the wall and moved in when it was an NSL and petitioned the local council until they reduced it to a 20mph, therefore I voted 20mph since it is the most dangerous speed that this road could have as a speed limit.

I agree, that once upon a time it would have been NSL but I'm guessing 40MPH now and hoping it ain't a 30MPH but that wouldn't suprise me in the least.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

This is a classic situation the like of which I often refer to...

Without knowing this road, I'll start with the very many limits we all know and see...

A pavement where it is right next to a narrow 'B' or 'A' road; in places where there's not always a pavement on both sides on a single track urban road.

By contrast, what we have here is a wide open road with visibility just about as good as It's gets, where the pedestrians, (wherever they are and frequent the area), are separated by grass reservations.

So would make no sense whatsoever, you would think...

But for that reason, and knowing the absurdity of current policy, I'll go for even though a would be more appropriate IMO.

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The question, though, is not what it is, but what you think it should be, from the picture.

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Ok, assuming It's not on the Continent Peter I'll go for.... Not tellin ya here, I'll be real wiv me vote though

Am I allowed to say what I think BRAKE think it should be ?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Notice some pole like features on either side. Could they be lights ,and if so how far apart are they ?

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Yes, it's definitely streetlit, and the evidence of the photo alone suggests the applicable limit is 30, although that's not to say there aren't some repeaters just out of sight.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Ah, ole hawk eye Botach...

Although relevant in this thread, I look at the situation differently because a lamp post, but for a name, is just a tree with an unlit bulb. (And yet more 'dumb' road furniture which everyone ignores related to road safety).

As I see things most drivers don't look, or probably know/remember, what an official red circle or triangle signs means; leave alone moderating any driving to suit. (Made all the worse with the obsessive overuse of all things deemed slower=better).

Yet we're supposed to determine the presence and distance between lampposts and relate that to real road safety???

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

If it's a road in the West Mids, it's almost certainly going to be a 30MPH limit now although from a safety aspect with it's wide separation of footpaths (and lack of pedestrians) and clear sightlines it would be considered good for 50MPH by any experienced driver during the conditions shown.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

For me it depends on the context.... I see traffic lights, pavements, cycle lanes and maybe an acess and buildings down to the right which implies it's not a purely rural road.

40 would be fine for me, maybe 50 but if there was to be a roundabout with a shopping centre and some houses behind the camera and continuing urban round to the left 40 is probably fine.

The point is, or should be, that if any of us here were doing 50mph because that is what the limit is and we see some kids playing about on the grass I'm sure we'd drop down to around 20mph; maybe toot our horn even. And that is the point I have always stood by and made on SS. (Driving to the conditions). It's why I have a safe record to date! But since I speed occasionally I'm a maniac allegedly...

The converse is, or should be, true. If it happens to be for no safety reason but the conditions are like they are in the picture, again they would have you believe you are a manic for doing what the vast majority would do...

I'd like to know if there's a limit at which weepej would start to think "this is bu!!sh1t" or whether a road like that, if made into a ,would still be fine because it must be 20 for a reason based on safety?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

That was the basis of advice given to one motorist by traffic police on a speed trap .
And sadly until I saw repeaters saying another limit. I'd be treating this road as a "nice little earner " for the SAC brigade , who no doubt preach this message ,dangerous as it is.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Well, as the voting seems to have dried up now, here are the results of the poll. The largest group (half of all respondents) saw it as a 40, but quite a lot thought it should be even higher.



The road is the B6145 Thornton Road, Bradford.

To my eyes, quite a long stretch of this road rather cries out to be a 40, but it's been a 30 for ten years. Obviously the experts of Bradford Council know better

The point of the question, though, was not to have a moan but to get a view of what people’s perceptions are.

Recently, Bradford seem to be going for the prize for the most barking speed limit cuts – just look at this further along the same road

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I blinked and nearly missed it. I can understand dropping the limit to 40MPH or at a push 30MPH just before the lights, if (and only if) they had a few nasty accidents at the lights but to be honest it's a good straight road and there should be no reason not to see the lights well in advance and slow for them....but this is dumbed down Britain after all, where councils seem to be staffed by some of the dumbest in society and assume everyone else has the same I.Q as them.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

As I said- in the absence of repeaters , but with street lights,as a stranger, I'd regard this as a honeytrap to add to the finances of the SCP on SAC, until I got evidence the limit was more. The appropriate limit,IMHO would be ,in light of recent down grading of limits, and even that might be too low.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I'm a little surprised that there's a lot of 60mph more so than 50, which was my guesstimate. But anyway...

I can't tell you what I think about the limit you say it is Peter because it would be censored.

Geese, duck, chickens, turkeys....

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Don't forget the kittens.OH,and the pheasants ( or is that peasants).OH-and the toddlers who escape through closed interior and exterior doors and garden gate,to sit in the middle of the road( so the locals would have us believe).

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

There's a part of me which thinks if this is what we are prepared to put up with then fcuk it!

I'll go elsewhere, like I have before, where the stench of Bu!!sh1t isn't washing around my ankles like the street sewage in 19th century London streets.

'Way below....'

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

keep taking the pills tone